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> I will never stop behind a car. For the same reason I try not to be behind a motorbike (or a bike) A turn that I can make at 30kmh safely becomes a turn whe

> I will never stop behind a car. For the same reason I try not to be behind a motorbike (or a bike) A turn that I can make at 30kmh safely becomes a turn where the two wheeler in front of me stalls almost to an halt and I have to break in the middle of it They use different trajectories, which are almost unpredictable They stop in front of cars at the traffic light, but their start is very slow so usually a jam is created from nothing (sudden start/stops are the root cause of the majority of crashes in traffic jams) I think everyone should consider their strength and weaknesses and account for them Being in front of a car without a differential, for example, means a much slower transit in turns It's a scientific phenomenon, there is no right or wrong, but if you know it you can anticipate for it If you don't, you risk to end up rear ended

throwaway9191a 6y ago
I totally understand the frustration here, however this is what the (admittedly ridiculous) "survey" is talking about. Cars cut me off very often so they don't have to wait... what, 5 extra seconds through a turn? Many times these cars cut me, then have to stop anyway for a pedestrian. I often run lights if they are right before a hill. This is specifically to keep the cars behind me from getting mad and doing unsafe things. I'd rather just get out of the way.
- romanoderoma 6y ago
  Driving (and biking) are not thought processes, they are things we do automatically, on cruise, using just muscle memory We usually do it without thinking too much, the same way we don't think about walking or breathing Something different in the process and something bad will happen. Most of the times drivers (and bikers) will compensate for someone else's mistake, sometimes nobody does
  - mulmen 6y ago
    > Driving (and biking) are not thought processes, they are things we do automatically, on cruise, using just muscle memory Yeah, this is the problem.
    - romanoderoma 6y ago
      That's my motto as well I've been trying for years to work with the municipality of Rome to convince people to let their vehicles at home, if they don't want to fully commit with the driving (or biking) I don't even listen to music anymore when I drive...
mulmen 6y ago
Sounds like you need to reevaluate your following distance and responsibilities as a driver. Much of your complaints here are why two wheeled operators assume cars are trying to kill them. Most of this is your responsibility to avoid. Stopping behind a car and following are not comparable. The speed differential is the key here, and the crumple zones. In your car it is the hood and fenders, on my bike it is my body. A 25mph collision is easily fatal. > Being in front of a car without a differential, for example, means a much slower transit in turns Differential between what? The one rear wheel? > It's a scientific phenomenon, there is no right or wrong, but if you know it you can anticipate for it Huh? The rules of the road completely account for these differences. There is absolutely a right and wrong. > If you don't, you risk to end up rear ended It is 100% your responsibility as the following vehicle to not rear end someone. Bike riders just take evasive and defensive action because drivers can't be trusted.
- romanoderoma 6y ago
  > Sounds like you need to reevaluate your following distance If I didn't care, I would not brake, don't you think? At 30kmh bike brakes are more efficient At 30kmh every second an object moves about 8 and a half meters > It is 100% your responsibility as the following vehicle to not rear end someone So you are betting your life on someone else's sense of responsibility? I wish I was as optimistic as you are!
  - mulmen 6y ago
    > If I didn't care, I would not brake, don't you think? You're missing the point. If you have to brake suddenly in a corner for a motorcycle you made a mistake and were following too close. You should change your behavior in the future. > At 30kmh bike brakes are more efficient Except they can't be used effectively while turning. > So you are betting your life on someone else's sense of responsibility? I was very clear about this. I assume you will fail in your responsibility. This is why I am willing to break the law to be safe.
    - romanoderoma 6y ago

throwaway9191a 6y ago

I totally understand the frustration here, however this is what the (admittedly ridiculous) "survey" is talking about. Cars cut me off very often so they don't have to wait... what, 5 extra seconds through a turn? Many times these cars cut me, then have to stop anyway for a pedestrian. I often run lights if they are right before a hill. This is specifically to keep the cars behind me from getting mad and doing unsafe things. I'd rather just get out of the way.

romanoderoma 6y ago
Driving (and biking) are not thought processes, they are things we do automatically, on cruise, using just muscle memory We usually do it without thinking too much, the same way we don't think about walking or breathing Something different in the process and something bad will happen. Most of the times drivers (and bikers) will compensate for someone else's mistake, sometimes nobody does
- mulmen 6y ago
  > Driving (and biking) are not thought processes, they are things we do automatically, on cruise, using just muscle memory Yeah, this is the problem.
  - romanoderoma 6y ago
    That's my motto as well I've been trying for years to work with the municipality of Rome to convince people to let their vehicles at home, if they don't want to fully commit with the driving (or biking) I don't even listen to music anymore when I drive...

mulmen 6y ago

Sounds like you need to reevaluate your following distance and responsibilities as a driver. Much of your complaints here are why two wheeled operators assume cars are trying to kill them. Most of this is your responsibility to avoid. Stopping behind a car and following are not comparable. The speed differential is the key here, and the crumple zones. In your car it is the hood and fenders, on my bike it is my body. A 25mph collision is easily fatal. > Being in front of a car without a differential, for example, means a much slower transit in turns Differential between what? The one rear wheel? > It's a scientific phenomenon, there is no right or wrong, but if you know it you can anticipate for it Huh? The rules of the road completely account for these differences. There is absolutely a right and wrong. > If you don't, you risk to end up rear ended It is 100% your responsibility as the following vehicle to not rear end someone. Bike riders just take evasive and defensive action because drivers can't be trusted.

romanoderoma 6y ago
> Sounds like you need to reevaluate your following distance If I didn't care, I would not brake, don't you think? At 30kmh bike brakes are more efficient At 30kmh every second an object moves about 8 and a half meters > It is 100% your responsibility as the following vehicle to not rear end someone So you are betting your life on someone else's sense of responsibility? I wish I was as optimistic as you are!
- mulmen 6y ago
  > If I didn't care, I would not brake, don't you think? You're missing the point. If you have to brake suddenly in a corner for a motorcycle you made a mistake and were following too close. You should change your behavior in the future. > At 30kmh bike brakes are more efficient Except they can't be used effectively while turning. > So you are betting your life on someone else's sense of responsibility? I was very clear about this. I assume you will fail in your responsibility. This is why I am willing to break the law to be safe.
  - romanoderoma 6y ago