3 ms·

Were they written with the 2020 traffic in mind though? In my opinion the classes are 2: fragile users and not fragile ones Pedestrians are the most vulnerabl

Were they written with the 2020 traffic in mind though? In my opinion the classes are 2: fragile users and not fragile ones Pedestrians are the most vulnerable, trucks and heavy machinery in general are the least ones > not being able to use the sidewalk would increase trip time by 3-4x That's by design If cars could not care about pedestrian crossings and speed limits trips would be 10x faster > A driver's mistakes kill other people. I've been hit by a bicicle in Belgium and I ended up at the hospital with a broken leg I was lucky enough to anticipate the crash, start running away and the biker only hit my leg If I wasn't paying attention nobody knows if I'd still be here telling the story

benrbray 6y ago
> not being able to use the sidewalk would increase trip time by 3-4x > That's by design My point is that it is perfectly safe for me to ride sidewalks along one-way streets. Normally there are very few pedestrians. I always dismount in crowded areas. It is not safe for cars to do the same. > If cars could not care about pedestrian crossings and speed limits trips would be 10x faster I disagree. Most of the traffic in e.g. midtown Atlanta is either highway-bound or fresh off the highway. It's the first or last 10 minutes of a 30-40 minute trip. Pedestrian crossings are a minor inconvenience. Even without pedestrians, there would be red lights to allow the other direction of traffic through.
- romanoderoma 6y ago
  > it is perfectly safe for me to ride sidewalks But it's not for pedestrians I bet that if cars were allowed to drive on sidewalks their ride would be faster as well
  - benrbray 6y ago
    In bicycle-friendly cities, it is a common rule that bicycles are allowed on sidewalks, provided that they respect pedestrians. It is entirely possible to safely operate a bicycle on a sidewalk. Yes, accidents do happen. However, is is extremely rare that pedestrian-bicycle accidents are serious.
    - romanoderoma 6y ago
      > In bicycle-friendly cities, ... there are far more accidents involving bikes and pedestrians Everything it's entirely possible in theory It's entirely possible to not steal from others, so why we have laws against it and the police enforcing the law?
      - benrbray 6y ago
        ...and fewer accidents involving cars and pedestrians ...because more people use bicycles ...because it's safer to do so compared to bicycle-unfriendly cities ...where there are far more car-bicycle and car-pedestrian accidents (for road fatalities, compare e.g. USA with Japan or anywhere in Europe on this list: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_traffic-related_death_rate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_traffic-r... )
        romanoderoma 6y ago
        Nope The two things don't follow Bikers are drivers too I would argue that if you only drive sometimes and not usually, you are more dangerous (reflexes are built with training and excercise) Italy, especially Rome, has one of the highest number of cars per capita (Rome if I remember correctly has 73 cars every 100 inhabitants, making it the most car crowded city of the west) It's not much worse than Netherlands or Germany and does better than the US.

benrbray 6y ago

> not being able to use the sidewalk would increase trip time by 3-4x > That's by design My point is that it is perfectly safe for me to ride sidewalks along one-way streets. Normally there are very few pedestrians. I always dismount in crowded areas. It is not safe for cars to do the same. > If cars could not care about pedestrian crossings and speed limits trips would be 10x faster I disagree. Most of the traffic in e.g. midtown Atlanta is either highway-bound or fresh off the highway. It's the first or last 10 minutes of a 30-40 minute trip. Pedestrian crossings are a minor inconvenience. Even without pedestrians, there would be red lights to allow the other direction of traffic through.

romanoderoma 6y ago
> it is perfectly safe for me to ride sidewalks But it's not for pedestrians I bet that if cars were allowed to drive on sidewalks their ride would be faster as well
- benrbray 6y ago
  In bicycle-friendly cities, it is a common rule that bicycles are allowed on sidewalks, provided that they respect pedestrians. It is entirely possible to safely operate a bicycle on a sidewalk. Yes, accidents do happen. However, is is extremely rare that pedestrian-bicycle accidents are serious.
  - romanoderoma 6y ago
    > In bicycle-friendly cities, ... there are far more accidents involving bikes and pedestrians Everything it's entirely possible in theory It's entirely possible to not steal from others, so why we have laws against it and the police enforcing the law?
    - benrbray 6y ago
      ...and fewer accidents involving cars and pedestrians ...because more people use bicycles ...because it's safer to do so compared to bicycle-unfriendly cities ...where there are far more car-bicycle and car-pedestrian accidents (for road fatalities, compare e.g. USA with Japan or anywhere in Europe on this list: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_traffic-related_death_rate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_traffic-r... )
      - romanoderoma 6y ago
        Nope The two things don't follow Bikers are drivers too I would argue that if you only drive sometimes and not usually, you are more dangerous (reflexes are built with training and excercise) Italy, especially Rome, has one of the highest number of cars per capita (Rome if I remember correctly has 73 cars every 100 inhabitants, making it the most car crowded city of the west) It's not much worse than Netherlands or Germany and does better than the US.