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I'm not touching that update with a 10 foot pole. Not until it's been live for at least a week, and developers have had a chance to actually update their apps f

I'm not touching that update with a 10 foot pole. Not until it's been live for at least a week, and developers have had a chance to actually update their apps for it! Honestly, that's just good policy on all Apple updates lately. It seems that more and more of them have been plagued with issues and are trailed by hotfixes. I've learned to just wait a while. Other people can be the test guinea pigs!

seaghost 6y ago
I’m using developer beta since the first release 0 issues both system and app wise.
- tarikozket 6y ago
  same here.
  - sajithdilshan 6y ago
    same here
- jhloa2 6y ago
  I had quite a few issues 2-3 builds ago but it seems to be really stable now.
  - Angostura 6y ago
    Same here. The early betas had a tendency to make my iPhone 7 almost too hot to touch on occasion. That seems to have been sorted.
- Polylactic_acid 6y ago
  I have been using the beta for a while and had a bunch of issues but mostly minor and they seem to have all been fixed a week ago
rbritton 6y ago
Last night I did the final iOS 13 update on all of my devices. I no longer trust any iOS or OS X update at launch -- I wait several months.
- fakedang 6y ago
  I'm curious, if you don't trust iOS at launch or even several months down the line, why bother with it in the first place? Pick up an Android and join the dark side. I'm honestly baffled as to how locked-in Apple users let themselves be, even the tech-savvy ones.
  - Sangeppato 6y ago
    Sure, on Android you don't have to worry about updates because you don't get them. (Coming from an Android user)
    - geektips 6y ago
      It depends on the manufacturer, Android one users get security updates every month
      - Sangeppato 6y ago
        I own an Android One device (Mi A2) and in the last year updates were complete garbage. The manufacturer clearly couldn't care less about my (2 years) old device. I'm using LineageOS now and I'm much happier, but I think I'll switch to an iPhone SE when my phone dies
      - bb101 6y ago
        Android One held lots of potential, but Google managed to stuff that up too. They need to wrestle back control over the OS from the OEMs. Until they do, Android handsets will be disposable beyond a life of 2 years. Ironically, a company that understands that model is Microsoft. It's a pity they aren't competition for Apple in this space yet. As an iPhone/Macbook Pro/iPad user, I am eyeing the Surface Go 2 w/WSL as a potential future replacement for the iPad.
mixmastamyk 6y ago
A few years ago they broke the lock screen twice and didn't fix it for half a year or so each time. Made the phone excruciating to use as would take a full minute to get in as the lock screen restarted. Needless to say I don't update until the last minute with most releases any longer.
tmpz22 6y ago
I usually delay MacOS updates by at least a month for this very reason.
- rickyc091 6y ago
  Surprisingly, both Big Sur and iOS 14 are pretty stable this time around. I haven't had any issues with my dev tools since the first public release.
atonse 6y ago
I still haven't upgraded to macOS Catalina (first time I've not upgraded macOS). I just don't have half a day to spare with whatever weird stuff it's going to break.
- phs318u 6y ago
  Having ditched macOS because of the sshow that is Catalina I promise you you’ll waste a lot more than half a day on that cluster.
  - coldtea 6y ago
    Never had any issue with Catalina, so there's that, and I'm quite a heavy user (development and unix userland, and nle, photo, and daw programs). People often have some bad personal experience and deduce from that the OS is objectively and generally a "sshow", but it can often be some specific third party program, service, extension, or hardware -- or some genuine Apple bug that doesn't affect all devices/users/use cases. The impact is often about something a user cares heavily about, but might not generalize to the OS. E.g. one might have a problem with Outlook servers (I don't have to use it at work, so never had the chance to have such an issue). But that doesn't mean it's necessarily (a) the OS's problem, or (b) something that affects anyone else who uses Catalina without needing Outlook.
    - BigJ1211 6y ago
      > ... but it can often be some specific third party program, service, extension, or hardware... Which was often also the reason people didn't upgrade Windows. (or try MacOS or Linux)
      - tekknik 6y ago
        and has what to do with Catalina being a “sshow”? Unless you’re advocating for MS 2.0 and have Apple never remove anything so we can have bloated OSes in a few years
- kevindong 6y ago
rdschouw 6y ago
Same. Whenever Apple announces a new major version, it’s time for me to disable auto-update on all my Apple devices. iOS 13 was particularly bad and I waited until January. I hope they did a better job with 14.
- coldtea 6y ago
  What exactly problems do people have with iOS 13? I always here some complains here and there. but, as with Catalina, never had any issue. Is it specific apps?
  - rdschouw 6y ago
    It’s ok now. I still have rotation issues on my iPad where it gets confused and the screen is on its side. I had an issue on my iPhone X where it was connected to wifi without showing the icon. But there’s plenty written on iOS 13’s bugginess and Apple admitted as much. I would not be surprised that iOS 14 is solid. I rather wait a month to see if that’s the case.
  - bb101 6y ago
    Catalina is a dumpster fire compared to Mojave. Waking up a Macbook Pro with two USB-C monitors plugged in, only one monitor comes on. I have to fiddle around by opening the laptop's lid or pressing Ctrl-Shift-Eject and waking it up again from scratch for all the monitors to respond. Leave Catalina running too long, its Watchdog process times out and it has a kernel panic. During the night every two or three days. After booting and reporting to Apple (again), it's time to rearrange all the windows and reopen all the documents I was working on, again. Inadequate is the polite way of describing it.
    - coldtea 6y ago
      I don't have two monitors (I do use one external + the laptop's own), so didn't have the issue either, but the "running too long" problem has not been my experience. I have uptimes in the months (only rebooting for the ocassional update). But if "dual monitors have issues" is the biggest issue that comes up when someone is asked to describe their problems with an OS, I wouldn't exactly call it a "dumpster fire". More like "smooth sailing". Doubly so if it's not experienced for everybody hooking two monitors but just for e.g. that specific brand or laptop run / monitor combination.
jackdeansmith 6y ago
From a user perspective, this release is super solid. I'm not going to be updating to Big Sur any time soon, but I'm running iOS 14 everywhere now and haven't had any trouble
- steffan 6y ago
  I've gone back and forth. I don't entirely regret running Big Sur, but it really doesn't offer any advantages to me. It's seemed more or less stable although I've had intermittent issues with Facetime not connecting to older devices. I've become more annoyed trying to develop on it though, and outside of iOS, I do my development mainly on Linux now.
- vaxman 6y ago
  It has some big issues (first hand). Avoid for a while if you do mission/life critical work on your phone. As for some of the devs saying it is great, many of them have crappy apps. The top devs like Rambo are tweeting to avoid.
  - tekknik 6y ago
    > The top devs like Rambo are tweeting to avoid. Who or what sanctioning body determines who is a “top dev”. I’m using it on my phone, have been for a bit, and have had no issues. Zero. I must be reachable at all times. So whoever Rambo is, is wrong.
- alfalfasprout 6y ago
  Big Sur was a huge speedup on my 2016 touchbar MBP.
- wittyreference 6y ago
  My XS is running noticeably slower upon upgrading.
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steffan 6y ago
I've been using the Developer Betas since the first announcement and have had only a handful of minor issues (like my Bank erroneously thinking my device was jailbroken). I think it's probably one of the more stable iOS releases I've seen.
- steffan 6y ago
  Fwiw, this was on an iPhone 11 and iPad Pro (2019)
  - tekknik 6y ago
    I have 3 banking apps doing this same thing now. So some developer of some framework that sold it to these banks has implemented a hacky method of jailbreak detection.
IgorPartola 6y ago
I’ve been running the betas for a few weeks. The only issue I had was the calendar app not updating the month label as you scroll. Some potentially weird performance glitches that didn’t impede anything I was doing and got ironed out in later betas. Overall, easiest iOS upgrade so far. But I totally get where you are coming from. I have a horror story about several conservative versions of iOS that would constantly reboot my phone between 2 and 5 am at least once a month, buzzing and flashing the screen in the process. This followed me across resets and devices until the culprit was finally found and fixed after I put together clues from related issues on Stack Overflow AND got to talk to an actual Apple engineer on the phone. It was a struggle.
- dividedbyzero 6y ago
  Would you mind sharing what the culprit was? This sounds really curious.
  - IgorPartola 6y ago
    Basically it had to do with recurring events in an Outlook calendar. The protocol which was used to connect that calendar to the iOS calendar app would specify the end date of the recurrence as NULL and every night the calendar app would do some kind of processing of future events (I am fuzzy on the details here), and that NULL value would cause a crash that resulted all the way in a kernel panic. Wiping the device clean and trying to isolate which app was the problem was useless since I’d connect all my calendars from a backup automatically and then the resets would start again. It followed from one device to another because I shared my calendar with my wife and so her iPhone and iPad eventually caught this affliction too (which made it seem like my phone infected hers). And it was impossible for me to reproduce since it only happened during whatever the calendar app was doing and when it hit whatever recurring event was causing the trouble. In the end, after countless searches, posts on various social media sites seeing if anyone else had this problem, and bug reports to Apple I came across a Stack Overflow post that described kernel panics caused by the calendar app and said something about Outlook calendars specifically. So I went and disabled that calendar on one of the devices and the issue didn’t return. So eventually I got ahold of higher tier support at Apple and they had me talk to an engineer who took down careful notes. In a few months a point iOS release came out and made a vague reference to fixing calendar app bugs. The issue never recurred after and I never heard anything from Apple about it again, though they did promise to follow up. In either case I’m happy. Having your phone that you use as an alarm flashing and buzzing all night as it reboots every 90 seconds isn’t good for getting sleep.
bob1029 6y ago
I am very skittish around iOS ecosystem, and am responsible for keeping a 6+ year old iOS app running. It's not a very complicated app and it uses almost no permissions or services aside from camera & GPS, but we got burned a few times with breaking iOS changes over the years. I think we started w/ iOS 8. That said, I haven't seen a breaking change since 11, and I just got done with some initial test scenarios on 14 without concerns. I just told my team to go ahead and update to 14 because at the least our app will open and run through some basic scenarios without any issues. Now I just need everyone to exercise all the code paths over the next week to be sure. To be very clear, our app is not on the public store and is distributed using the enterprise program. This allows us some freedom as the Apple devices running our app are exclusively for the app and we have some leeway in telling our customers to hold off on the latest iOS if we need to. They have MDM and policy which allows for this level of control. If we had this app on the public store, I would be in a state of total panic right now.
markdown 6y ago
I'm still on OSX Mojave. I'll be upgrading to Catalina in October, a year after it was released.
- bb101 6y ago
  I'd recommend you don't upgrade to Catalina. It's really awful. Go straight to Big Sur.
  - tekknik 6y ago
    Care to elaborate on why it’s “really awful”? It’s my daily driver, clocking over 12 hours a day at least 6 days a week with not so much an issue.
Jaxkr 6y ago
Same. iOS 13 was a mess at launch and I’m gonna wait for at least a minor bug fix patch.
alfalfasprout 6y ago
I've been using the beta since they put it up and it's been very solid. Not only that, my phone actually got a lot faster. Plus the new privacy features are huge (eg; restricting which photos are accessed, tracking by apps, etc.)
- tonywastaken 6y ago
  Instagram is already getting around the photos privacy feature: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24505285 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24505285

seaghost 6y ago

I’m using developer beta since the first release 0 issues both system and app wise.

tarikozket 6y ago
same here.
- sajithdilshan 6y ago
  same here
jhloa2 6y ago
I had quite a few issues 2-3 builds ago but it seems to be really stable now.
- Angostura 6y ago
  Same here. The early betas had a tendency to make my iPhone 7 almost too hot to touch on occasion. That seems to have been sorted.
Polylactic_acid 6y ago
I have been using the beta for a while and had a bunch of issues but mostly minor and they seem to have all been fixed a week ago

rbritton 6y ago

Last night I did the final iOS 13 update on all of my devices. I no longer trust any iOS or OS X update at launch -- I wait several months.

fakedang 6y ago
I'm curious, if you don't trust iOS at launch or even several months down the line, why bother with it in the first place? Pick up an Android and join the dark side. I'm honestly baffled as to how locked-in Apple users let themselves be, even the tech-savvy ones.
- Sangeppato 6y ago
  Sure, on Android you don't have to worry about updates because you don't get them. (Coming from an Android user)
  - geektips 6y ago
    It depends on the manufacturer, Android one users get security updates every month
    - Sangeppato 6y ago
      I own an Android One device (Mi A2) and in the last year updates were complete garbage. The manufacturer clearly couldn't care less about my (2 years) old device. I'm using LineageOS now and I'm much happier, but I think I'll switch to an iPhone SE when my phone dies
    - bb101 6y ago
      Android One held lots of potential, but Google managed to stuff that up too. They need to wrestle back control over the OS from the OEMs. Until they do, Android handsets will be disposable beyond a life of 2 years. Ironically, a company that understands that model is Microsoft. It's a pity they aren't competition for Apple in this space yet. As an iPhone/Macbook Pro/iPad user, I am eyeing the Surface Go 2 w/WSL as a potential future replacement for the iPad.

mixmastamyk 6y ago

A few years ago they broke the lock screen twice and didn't fix it for half a year or so each time. Made the phone excruciating to use as would take a full minute to get in as the lock screen restarted. Needless to say I don't update until the last minute with most releases any longer.

tmpz22 6y ago

I usually delay MacOS updates by at least a month for this very reason.

rickyc091 6y ago
Surprisingly, both Big Sur and iOS 14 are pretty stable this time around. I haven't had any issues with my dev tools since the first public release.

atonse 6y ago

I still haven't upgraded to macOS Catalina (first time I've not upgraded macOS). I just don't have half a day to spare with whatever weird stuff it's going to break.

phs318u 6y ago
Having ditched macOS because of the sshow that is Catalina I promise you you’ll waste a lot more than half a day on that cluster.
- coldtea 6y ago
  Never had any issue with Catalina, so there's that, and I'm quite a heavy user (development and unix userland, and nle, photo, and daw programs). People often have some bad personal experience and deduce from that the OS is objectively and generally a "sshow", but it can often be some specific third party program, service, extension, or hardware -- or some genuine Apple bug that doesn't affect all devices/users/use cases. The impact is often about something a user cares heavily about, but might not generalize to the OS. E.g. one might have a problem with Outlook servers (I don't have to use it at work, so never had the chance to have such an issue). But that doesn't mean it's necessarily (a) the OS's problem, or (b) something that affects anyone else who uses Catalina without needing Outlook.
  - BigJ1211 6y ago
    > ... but it can often be some specific third party program, service, extension, or hardware... Which was often also the reason people didn't upgrade Windows. (or try MacOS or Linux)
    - tekknik 6y ago
      and has what to do with Catalina being a “sshow”? Unless you’re advocating for MS 2.0 and have Apple never remove anything so we can have bloated OSes in a few years
kevindong 6y ago

rdschouw 6y ago

Same. Whenever Apple announces a new major version, it’s time for me to disable auto-update on all my Apple devices. iOS 13 was particularly bad and I waited until January. I hope they did a better job with 14.

coldtea 6y ago
What exactly problems do people have with iOS 13? I always here some complains here and there. but, as with Catalina, never had any issue. Is it specific apps?
- rdschouw 6y ago
  It’s ok now. I still have rotation issues on my iPad where it gets confused and the screen is on its side. I had an issue on my iPhone X where it was connected to wifi without showing the icon. But there’s plenty written on iOS 13’s bugginess and Apple admitted as much. I would not be surprised that iOS 14 is solid. I rather wait a month to see if that’s the case.
- bb101 6y ago
  Catalina is a dumpster fire compared to Mojave. Waking up a Macbook Pro with two USB-C monitors plugged in, only one monitor comes on. I have to fiddle around by opening the laptop's lid or pressing Ctrl-Shift-Eject and waking it up again from scratch for all the monitors to respond. Leave Catalina running too long, its Watchdog process times out and it has a kernel panic. During the night every two or three days. After booting and reporting to Apple (again), it's time to rearrange all the windows and reopen all the documents I was working on, again. Inadequate is the polite way of describing it.
  - coldtea 6y ago
    I don't have two monitors (I do use one external + the laptop's own), so didn't have the issue either, but the "running too long" problem has not been my experience. I have uptimes in the months (only rebooting for the ocassional update). But if "dual monitors have issues" is the biggest issue that comes up when someone is asked to describe their problems with an OS, I wouldn't exactly call it a "dumpster fire". More like "smooth sailing". Doubly so if it's not experienced for everybody hooking two monitors but just for e.g. that specific brand or laptop run / monitor combination.

jackdeansmith 6y ago

From a user perspective, this release is super solid. I'm not going to be updating to Big Sur any time soon, but I'm running iOS 14 everywhere now and haven't had any trouble

steffan 6y ago
I've gone back and forth. I don't entirely regret running Big Sur, but it really doesn't offer any advantages to me. It's seemed more or less stable although I've had intermittent issues with Facetime not connecting to older devices. I've become more annoyed trying to develop on it though, and outside of iOS, I do my development mainly on Linux now.
vaxman 6y ago
It has some big issues (first hand). Avoid for a while if you do mission/life critical work on your phone. As for some of the devs saying it is great, many of them have crappy apps. The top devs like Rambo are tweeting to avoid.
- tekknik 6y ago
  > The top devs like Rambo are tweeting to avoid. Who or what sanctioning body determines who is a “top dev”. I’m using it on my phone, have been for a bit, and have had no issues. Zero. I must be reachable at all times. So whoever Rambo is, is wrong.
alfalfasprout 6y ago
Big Sur was a huge speedup on my 2016 touchbar MBP.
wittyreference 6y ago
My XS is running noticeably slower upon upgrading.

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steffan 6y ago

I've been using the Developer Betas since the first announcement and have had only a handful of minor issues (like my Bank erroneously thinking my device was jailbroken). I think it's probably one of the more stable iOS releases I've seen.

steffan 6y ago
Fwiw, this was on an iPhone 11 and iPad Pro (2019)
- tekknik 6y ago
  I have 3 banking apps doing this same thing now. So some developer of some framework that sold it to these banks has implemented a hacky method of jailbreak detection.

IgorPartola 6y ago

I’ve been running the betas for a few weeks. The only issue I had was the calendar app not updating the month label as you scroll. Some potentially weird performance glitches that didn’t impede anything I was doing and got ironed out in later betas. Overall, easiest iOS upgrade so far. But I totally get where you are coming from. I have a horror story about several conservative versions of iOS that would constantly reboot my phone between 2 and 5 am at least once a month, buzzing and flashing the screen in the process. This followed me across resets and devices until the culprit was finally found and fixed after I put together clues from related issues on Stack Overflow AND got to talk to an actual Apple engineer on the phone. It was a struggle.

dividedbyzero 6y ago
Would you mind sharing what the culprit was? This sounds really curious.
- IgorPartola 6y ago
  Basically it had to do with recurring events in an Outlook calendar. The protocol which was used to connect that calendar to the iOS calendar app would specify the end date of the recurrence as NULL and every night the calendar app would do some kind of processing of future events (I am fuzzy on the details here), and that NULL value would cause a crash that resulted all the way in a kernel panic. Wiping the device clean and trying to isolate which app was the problem was useless since I’d connect all my calendars from a backup automatically and then the resets would start again. It followed from one device to another because I shared my calendar with my wife and so her iPhone and iPad eventually caught this affliction too (which made it seem like my phone infected hers). And it was impossible for me to reproduce since it only happened during whatever the calendar app was doing and when it hit whatever recurring event was causing the trouble. In the end, after countless searches, posts on various social media sites seeing if anyone else had this problem, and bug reports to Apple I came across a Stack Overflow post that described kernel panics caused by the calendar app and said something about Outlook calendars specifically. So I went and disabled that calendar on one of the devices and the issue didn’t return. So eventually I got ahold of higher tier support at Apple and they had me talk to an engineer who took down careful notes. In a few months a point iOS release came out and made a vague reference to fixing calendar app bugs. The issue never recurred after and I never heard anything from Apple about it again, though they did promise to follow up. In either case I’m happy. Having your phone that you use as an alarm flashing and buzzing all night as it reboots every 90 seconds isn’t good for getting sleep.

bob1029 6y ago

I am very skittish around iOS ecosystem, and am responsible for keeping a 6+ year old iOS app running. It's not a very complicated app and it uses almost no permissions or services aside from camera & GPS, but we got burned a few times with breaking iOS changes over the years. I think we started w/ iOS 8. That said, I haven't seen a breaking change since 11, and I just got done with some initial test scenarios on 14 without concerns. I just told my team to go ahead and update to 14 because at the least our app will open and run through some basic scenarios without any issues. Now I just need everyone to exercise all the code paths over the next week to be sure. To be very clear, our app is not on the public store and is distributed using the enterprise program. This allows us some freedom as the Apple devices running our app are exclusively for the app and we have some leeway in telling our customers to hold off on the latest iOS if we need to. They have MDM and policy which allows for this level of control. If we had this app on the public store, I would be in a state of total panic right now.

markdown 6y ago

I'm still on OSX Mojave. I'll be upgrading to Catalina in October, a year after it was released.

bb101 6y ago
I'd recommend you don't upgrade to Catalina. It's really awful. Go straight to Big Sur.
- tekknik 6y ago
  Care to elaborate on why it’s “really awful”? It’s my daily driver, clocking over 12 hours a day at least 6 days a week with not so much an issue.

Jaxkr 6y ago

Same. iOS 13 was a mess at launch and I’m gonna wait for at least a minor bug fix patch.

alfalfasprout 6y ago

I've been using the beta since they put it up and it's been very solid. Not only that, my phone actually got a lot faster. Plus the new privacy features are huge (eg; restricting which photos are accessed, tracking by apps, etc.)

tonywastaken 6y ago
Instagram is already getting around the photos privacy feature: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24505285 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24505285