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many developers have really no choice (at least not individually). They don't really have the means to vote with their wallets, as foregoing the whole iOS marke

many developers have really no choice (at least not individually). They don't really have the means to vote with their wallets, as foregoing the whole iOS market is.. not a choice. What EPIC is doing is trying to rally people on their side of the fight. This is the same reason why people (workers) have unions, in the traditional job market. It's not really comparable because developers are not workers, but there are some similarities: Apple benefits from the developers (immensely, with your Windows Phone example) and the developers too.. but Apple has the upper hand, by FAR.

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zepto 6y ago
Epic doesn’t care about anything except for their own profits.
- Heliosmaster 6y ago
  I believe so too, but that does not mean anything for my argument. They are trying to rally people so that they can get better profits. The fact that maybe (and i'm skeptical about it) other people do too, it's coincidental for them, i'm sure.
- anfilt 6y ago
  Just because it's in their self interests does not mean getting rid of the forced walled garden does not benefit other developers. At the end of the users own the devices not apple. It should ultimately be up to the user.
  - zepto 6y ago
    I agree, but that’s not what Epic is fighting for. They are just fighting for a part of the walled garden for themselves. Rather than supporting Epic as if they are on our side, we need to actually think about what really would be a good alternative.
  - valuearb 6y ago
    The walled garden has been hugely beneficial for developers, the relative app sales rates between iOS and Android is proof of that. And iOS customers overwhelmingly prefer the walled garden, it’s the main reason they buy iPhones. If the walled gardens was costing Apple customers instead of attracting them, the iPhone would have failed years ago. Android devices are cheaper, more diverse, and more flexible. There would be scant reasons to buy an iPhone. That’s the very definition of choice.

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zepto 6y ago

Epic doesn’t care about anything except for their own profits.

Heliosmaster 6y ago
I believe so too, but that does not mean anything for my argument. They are trying to rally people so that they can get better profits. The fact that maybe (and i'm skeptical about it) other people do too, it's coincidental for them, i'm sure.
anfilt 6y ago
Just because it's in their self interests does not mean getting rid of the forced walled garden does not benefit other developers. At the end of the users own the devices not apple. It should ultimately be up to the user.
- zepto 6y ago
  I agree, but that’s not what Epic is fighting for. They are just fighting for a part of the walled garden for themselves. Rather than supporting Epic as if they are on our side, we need to actually think about what really would be a good alternative.
- valuearb 6y ago
  The walled garden has been hugely beneficial for developers, the relative app sales rates between iOS and Android is proof of that. And iOS customers overwhelmingly prefer the walled garden, it’s the main reason they buy iPhones. If the walled gardens was costing Apple customers instead of attracting them, the iPhone would have failed years ago. Android devices are cheaper, more diverse, and more flexible. There would be scant reasons to buy an iPhone. That’s the very definition of choice.