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Yes, absolutely! Just like I'd rather pay for Apple Arcade so that I don't have to wade through the sewage of free-to-play games clicking "no" on in-app purchas

by baddox 6y ago

Yes, absolutely! Just like I'd rather pay for Apple Arcade so that I don't have to wade through the sewage of free-to-play games clicking "no" on in-app purchase requests and hiding spammy notifications. Just like I'd rather pay for streaming services with no ads rather than having to mute commercials on live TV or skip commercials on DVR'd TV. It's not absurd to me to pay for platforms that attempt to preemptively remove filth rather than need to be on the constant lookout for filth. This is particularly true when most of these entire ecosystems (the web, app stores, video content) seem to be based on sneaking filth in front of your eyes at every available opportunity.

romanoderoma 6y ago
Web notifications are a standard feature, meaning the APIs are in the web standard. Making an hyperbole here, but wouldn't Mosaic 1993 edition solve every issue then?
- baddox 6y ago
  Reasonable people can disagree about which features are and are not useful. And those reasonable people can purchase smartphones and computers which best cater to their own views about these features.
  - romanoderoma 6y ago
    True, but reasonable people that know about web notifications API are less than 1% of Apple customers...
    - baddox 6y ago
      That sounds like a great reason to not let every trashy website in the world to spam them asking if they want to enable notifications.
      - romanoderoma 6y ago
        But is it Apple's call? I mean, removing features of course makes software more secure I argue that disabling JavaScript would only bring great benefits to humanity
        baddox 6y ago
        If Apple had a dominant market position in smartphones then one could argue that end customers don't have much of a choice, but Apple only has at most 50% market share in the US and much lower globally. For my own smartphone usage I would much rather Apple choosing which features and APIs that third-party developers (of apps and websites) can use rather than those developers being able to do whatever they want. I think it's pretty clear that developers tends to have a much more hostile relationship with their end users than Apple does with their customers.
        romanoderoma 6y ago
        The argument is not about market domination, but about money power Apple market is rich, it is the richest tech company, with the highest market valuation ever, one cannot avoid it So it's gonna drive adoption no matter what Like it did for Flash (right or wrong, they did it) I was writing web applications during the 90s, they were called intranets back then, IE wasn't bad, it was simply unavoidable And being unavoidable halted competition for more than a decade On another side: having a platform that doesn't obey to common standards creates tech segregation I remember seeing japanes phones 20 years ago, they were ahead of time,but unusable outside of Japan Last but not least, having a flag that says "allow me to shoot myself in the foot of I want to" it's less hostile than "you don't know what you're doing let me handle it for you"
        tekknik 6y ago
        So then write for all browsers, support what you can for each, and don’t promote Chrome anymore? If you continue to promote a one size fits all browser and the market moves that way then we’ll shortly be having this same discussion about Google. If you were writing websites in the 90s you should know this.

by baddox 6y ago

romanoderoma 6y ago

Web notifications are a standard feature, meaning the APIs are in the web standard. Making an hyperbole here, but wouldn't Mosaic 1993 edition solve every issue then?

baddox 6y ago
Reasonable people can disagree about which features are and are not useful. And those reasonable people can purchase smartphones and computers which best cater to their own views about these features.
- romanoderoma 6y ago
  True, but reasonable people that know about web notifications API are less than 1% of Apple customers...
  - baddox 6y ago
    That sounds like a great reason to not let every trashy website in the world to spam them asking if they want to enable notifications.
    - romanoderoma 6y ago
      But is it Apple's call? I mean, removing features of course makes software more secure I argue that disabling JavaScript would only bring great benefits to humanity
      - baddox 6y ago
        If Apple had a dominant market position in smartphones then one could argue that end customers don't have much of a choice, but Apple only has at most 50% market share in the US and much lower globally. For my own smartphone usage I would much rather Apple choosing which features and APIs that third-party developers (of apps and websites) can use rather than those developers being able to do whatever they want. I think it's pretty clear that developers tends to have a much more hostile relationship with their end users than Apple does with their customers.
        romanoderoma 6y ago
        The argument is not about market domination, but about money power Apple market is rich, it is the richest tech company, with the highest market valuation ever, one cannot avoid it So it's gonna drive adoption no matter what Like it did for Flash (right or wrong, they did it) I was writing web applications during the 90s, they were called intranets back then, IE wasn't bad, it was simply unavoidable And being unavoidable halted competition for more than a decade On another side: having a platform that doesn't obey to common standards creates tech segregation I remember seeing japanes phones 20 years ago, they were ahead of time,but unusable outside of Japan Last but not least, having a flag that says "allow me to shoot myself in the foot of I want to" it's less hostile than "you don't know what you're doing let me handle it for you"
        tekknik 6y ago
        So then write for all browsers, support what you can for each, and don’t promote Chrome anymore? If you continue to promote a one size fits all browser and the market moves that way then we’ll shortly be having this same discussion about Google. If you were writing websites in the 90s you should know this.