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Anyone who’s adequately informed about spiritual matters is able to identify “machine elves” as demons who still seek to rule humans as in times past and desper

Anyone who’s adequately informed about spiritual matters is able to identify “machine elves” as demons who still seek to rule humans as in times past and desperately try to hide their identity. I’ve heard they get extremely angry and transform into malicious monsters if you interrogate them about the truth of Jesus Christ. Doing that will guarantee a bad experience. People shouldn’t be doing drugs anyways.

peteradio 6y ago
This sounds super interesting and is exactly what I'm interested to hear more about. Where can I read more on this?
- sbussard 6y ago
  The experiences come from testimonies I’ve heard from drug users and those who practice various forms of meditation. The historical context, which is partially reliable, comes from Dead Sea Scrolls (which have not all been released and translated) such as the book of Enoch. The Bible has a lot of hints throughout, such as in Genesis 6 and Jude. The Dead Sea scrolls also explain the origins of pagan religions and there’s a striking number of prophecies in them have have come true over the course of thousands of years. There are a few brilliant scholars who are working very hard to research these things
  - kyuudou 6y ago
    For some reason this brings to mind the visions that Jesuit founder Ignatius Loyola had at some point: "Ignatius also began experiencing a series of visions in full daylight while in hospital. These repetitive visions appeared as "a form in the air near him and this form gave him much consolation because it was exceedingly beautiful ... it somehow seemed to have the shape of a serpent and had many things that shone like eyes, but were not eyes. He received much delight and consolation from gazing upon this object" Doesn't sound very holy. Then again he was quite the ambitious military officer before his post-injury convalescence.
  - layeroverlay 6y ago
    I was reminded to think I found "the solution" in the past, "After the lost of 'the feeling for an I' -to clarify my thoughts- a phase of a conditioned ego -also selfishness- began.. Wasn't jesus eating fish ?", -'thoughts'-(crossed out) stimulus came overwhelming, not ? P-:
slfnflctd 6y ago
From personal experience (which I am by no means alone in) you can absolutely have a 'good trip' while contemplating Jesus Christ or other aspects of Christianity, and believing fully in it all. I am quite certain both good and bad drug experiences have driven people to that religion, and many others. To be honest, this sounds like some b.s. my mother picked up from 'Christian' radio (i.e. GOP propaganda meets X-files) and terrorized the kids with. There was a book called the beautiful side of evil that informed a lot of the kind of thinking you describe, and it is 100% purely anecdotal assertions from one person with extreme views. If you look across the spectrum at more individuals, those assertions fall apart pretty quick.
- sbussard 6y ago
  The precondition is full sincerity and desire to know the truth. It’s a deeply personal commitment that can’t be argued in the hypothetical/abstract. Either you go all in or you don’t, and nobody else will know but you. I’m just the messenger.
  - slfnflctd 6y ago
    > The precondition is full sincerity and desire to know the truth. Believe me when I say I had both of these, and applied them earnestly in fervent & frequent prayer, study and self-denial for years. What did it get me? A whole lot of disappointment and confusion. The scientific world view has not brought me anywhere near the false happiness of believing I could become a blissful immortal, but it has at least given me firm ground to stand on, and to have rock-solid reasons for what I can still appreciate. I'm glad for anyone who can experience a happy daily life in a religious worldview, but having the prideful audacity to claim that it is equally available to everyone (and by implication, that anyone who doesn't have the same response is a liar) is either dangerously ignorant or outright evil. I have known your kind before, because I was one. Think about it.
    - sbussard 6y ago
      Thanks for sharing. One thing I differ from a lot of people on is the idea that faith cannot be evidence-based. Many people of “faith” fake it because they so desire what they do not have. On the contrary, evidence is required for faith. If a lack of correct evidence has led you to a different worldview I won’t argue with that. Surely I’ve been slammed with ugly disappointments as well. But consider what a God worth knowing would do. Among the many things we can come up with, at least one is that he would do what we could not do. Certainly evidence is not out of scope for a God worth knowing, but it may not come in the form we expect. So I don’t argue for you to accept what you can’t see, just that when you see it to keep pulling the thread and don’t dismiss it. In my opinion that is a true walk of faith. Once again, thanks for sharing :)
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peteradio 6y ago

This sounds super interesting and is exactly what I'm interested to hear more about. Where can I read more on this?

sbussard 6y ago
The experiences come from testimonies I’ve heard from drug users and those who practice various forms of meditation. The historical context, which is partially reliable, comes from Dead Sea Scrolls (which have not all been released and translated) such as the book of Enoch. The Bible has a lot of hints throughout, such as in Genesis 6 and Jude. The Dead Sea scrolls also explain the origins of pagan religions and there’s a striking number of prophecies in them have have come true over the course of thousands of years. There are a few brilliant scholars who are working very hard to research these things
- kyuudou 6y ago
  For some reason this brings to mind the visions that Jesuit founder Ignatius Loyola had at some point: "Ignatius also began experiencing a series of visions in full daylight while in hospital. These repetitive visions appeared as "a form in the air near him and this form gave him much consolation because it was exceedingly beautiful ... it somehow seemed to have the shape of a serpent and had many things that shone like eyes, but were not eyes. He received much delight and consolation from gazing upon this object" Doesn't sound very holy. Then again he was quite the ambitious military officer before his post-injury convalescence.
- layeroverlay 6y ago
  I was reminded to think I found "the solution" in the past, "After the lost of 'the feeling for an I' -to clarify my thoughts- a phase of a conditioned ego -also selfishness- began.. Wasn't jesus eating fish ?", -'thoughts'-(crossed out) stimulus came overwhelming, not ? P-:

slfnflctd 6y ago

From personal experience (which I am by no means alone in) you can absolutely have a 'good trip' while contemplating Jesus Christ or other aspects of Christianity, and believing fully in it all. I am quite certain both good and bad drug experiences have driven people to that religion, and many others. To be honest, this sounds like some b.s. my mother picked up from 'Christian' radio (i.e. GOP propaganda meets X-files) and terrorized the kids with. There was a book called the beautiful side of evil that informed a lot of the kind of thinking you describe, and it is 100% purely anecdotal assertions from one person with extreme views. If you look across the spectrum at more individuals, those assertions fall apart pretty quick.

sbussard 6y ago
The precondition is full sincerity and desire to know the truth. It’s a deeply personal commitment that can’t be argued in the hypothetical/abstract. Either you go all in or you don’t, and nobody else will know but you. I’m just the messenger.
- slfnflctd 6y ago
  > The precondition is full sincerity and desire to know the truth. Believe me when I say I had both of these, and applied them earnestly in fervent & frequent prayer, study and self-denial for years. What did it get me? A whole lot of disappointment and confusion. The scientific world view has not brought me anywhere near the false happiness of believing I could become a blissful immortal, but it has at least given me firm ground to stand on, and to have rock-solid reasons for what I can still appreciate. I'm glad for anyone who can experience a happy daily life in a religious worldview, but having the prideful audacity to claim that it is equally available to everyone (and by implication, that anyone who doesn't have the same response is a liar) is either dangerously ignorant or outright evil. I have known your kind before, because I was one. Think about it.
  - sbussard 6y ago
    Thanks for sharing. One thing I differ from a lot of people on is the idea that faith cannot be evidence-based. Many people of “faith” fake it because they so desire what they do not have. On the contrary, evidence is required for faith. If a lack of correct evidence has led you to a different worldview I won’t argue with that. Surely I’ve been slammed with ugly disappointments as well. But consider what a God worth knowing would do. Among the many things we can come up with, at least one is that he would do what we could not do. Certainly evidence is not out of scope for a God worth knowing, but it may not come in the form we expect. So I don’t argue for you to accept what you can’t see, just that when you see it to keep pulling the thread and don’t dismiss it. In my opinion that is a true walk of faith. Once again, thanks for sharing :)

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