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I use cinnamon, for that very reason. Just works, and works well for my use case, is very stable, and I've no wish to learn and configure another desktop paradi

I use cinnamon, for that very reason. Just works, and works well for my use case, is very stable, and I've no wish to learn and configure another desktop paradigm.

noir_lord 6y ago
Lack of Wayland support is the single thing I have wish it had. Gnome is so smooth on Nvidia in comparison but in every other way I prefer and still use cinnamon
- greendude29 6y ago
  Hmm, interesting. I user Gnome on Nvidia, but use the open drivers since Nvidia was difficult to get to a stable state. Did you just install the nvidia drivers from your OS's repo or get them directly from Nvidia? NB: The free drivers are working splendidly by the way
  - noir_lord 6y ago
    akmod-nvidia because it just works on a 2080.
  - orestarod 6y ago
    The free drivers work in the sense that you get a working desktop. But by no means can you get good performance on something that puts something other than light burden to your card. Nvidia gives no clues as to how to implement clock boost over the minimum base frequency in driver, so the free driver only uses the minimum available computing power, enough to get the desktop running.
- croh 6y ago
  Cinnamon with Mint is very stable and tuned, very good to get job done. It has very low cpu consumption. I don't know why but gnome always eats lots of resources. Plus this very old famous bug, keep me away from gnome-shell for good. https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=733297 https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=733297
  - einpoklum 6y ago
    Nitpick: Mint (the distribution) uses Cinnamon as one of the options for a desktop environment.
  - BearOso 6y ago
    > Cinnamon with Mint is very stable and tuned Unfortunately not. Muffin, the compositor is based on a really old version of Mutter, and it’s missing a lot of performance work and fixes that make latency lower and output less likely to hitch, hidpi works better, etc. They need to just drop their fork and use the upstream version. They haven’t added anything significant to Muffin to justify keeping it—-the differences to gnome are done with other packages.
dheera 6y ago
I've been using cinnamon as well but in 20.04 the new mac-ish taskbar that conflates the quick launch favorite apps and running apps in one widget turns me off. Starting to look for alternatives that aren't trying to copy Apple. Installed apps and running instances of installed apps are different concepts, damnit, and I don't need a phone-like interface that fakes the idea that all apps are "always running" when they are not.
- stjohnswarts 6y ago
  KDE? You would be surprised at how small it's footprint has shrunk, it's as small or smaller than cinnamon now.
  - heavyset_go 6y ago
    KDE uses less memory than Xfce does.
    - bmn__ 6y ago
      > KDE uses less memory than Xfce does. KDE user here. What you say is false. Xfce is quite primitive in comparison, it has a miniscule amount of features and hence gets away with using less memory. Observational data: 3570M kwin_x11 (window manager) 2512M plasmashell (task panel) 1411M krunner (application launcher) 895M kded5 (?) 532M kactivitymanagerd (multiple desktops) 422M polkit-kde-authentication-agent-1 (?) 389M org_kde_powerdevil (energy settings) 352M kdeconnectd (use mobile phone as remote control) 220M xembedsniproxy (make tray icons work) 277M kaccess (accessibility keys?) 277M ksmserver (?) 276M plasma-browser-integration-host (Firefox can show desktop notifications) 276M kwalletd (password manager) 265M klauncher (?) 265M kglobalaccel5 (global keyboard combos) 213M kscreen_backend_launcher (changing screen orientation and resolution?) 153M kio_http_cache_cleaner (?) 101M kdeinit5 (?) 101M file.so [kdeinit5] file local:/run/user/1000/klauncherXHvFxc.1.slave-socket (?) 69M kdesud (caches sudo password) 7M xsettingsd (apply colour scheme to Gnome applications) 2M start_kdeinit (?) On top of that, some applications for comparison: 2805M ktorrent (file sharing) 694M konsole (terminal) 402M kate (text editor) ---- 570M xfce4-appfinder 332M tumblerd (makes thumbnail images) 331M Thunar (file manager) 283M xfdesktop 266M xfce4-panel 260M xfce4-session 251M xfce4-notifyd 223M xfconfd 220M xfwm4 205M xfce4-screensaver 190M xfsettingsd 188M wrapper-2.0 /usr/lib64/xfce4/panel/plugins/libactions.so 186M wrapper-2.0 /usr/lib64/xfce4/panel/plugins/libsystray.so 179M xfce4-power-manager On top of that, some applications for comparison: 411M mousepad (text editor) 363M xfce4-terminal (terminal) ---- KDE really has become very bloated. First of all, I cannot uninstall any part of that huge list with the exception of kdeconnectd (don't want/need) or plasma-browser-integration-host (maybe want/need); AFAICT this problem is existing, but not at all pronounced in Xfce. Due to lazy design choices by the responsible programmers, KDE fails to scale properly down to the user's circumstances or preferences. • I do not have multiple desktops configured, yet I must spend 532M • My computer chassis only has a power button that does something in the desktop environment when triggered, and any power saving settings are off, yet I must spend 389M for that • I do not have any of the five accessibility features enabled, yet I must spend 277M • I have only one monitor attached, yet I must spend 213M listening for an additional Then there are many initialisation processes hanging around after the desktop environment has already started. Xfce does not have this problem. A lot of the processes I cannot even identify in the sense of telling what use they are to me. Some processes exist only due to their own doing where the responsible programmers painted themselves into a corner (like with the tray icons fiasco), or no one competent stepped in and stopped the submission of a solution that has a simple and superior equivalent. • Why is there a 153M cache cleaner hanging around resident in memory? This is a job for periodic timer (cron/systemd). Even if real-time cleaning is needed for some bizarre reason, then one would attach an inotify listener to the cache directory, and every time a file is added or changed, a small <1M process executes that calculates the diskspace in use, and only when we are over the threshold, then execute the big cleaning process. Exit the process when done. • Why is there a daemon for applying the colour scheme? I mean, it's only 7M, but this used to be a checkbox in the settings dialogue.
stjohnswarts 6y ago
same here. the 4 quadrants limited tiling works pretty well. Sometimes switch over to KDE as well just to have a change of pace but unsurprisingly it works a lot like cinnamon, just with a lot more options that I dont' really change from the default :)

I use cinnamon, for that very reason. Just works, and works well for my use case, is very stable, and I've no wish to learn and configure another desktop paradigm.

noir_lord 6y ago

Lack of Wayland support is the single thing I have wish it had. Gnome is so smooth on Nvidia in comparison but in every other way I prefer and still use cinnamon

greendude29 6y ago
Hmm, interesting. I user Gnome on Nvidia, but use the open drivers since Nvidia was difficult to get to a stable state. Did you just install the nvidia drivers from your OS's repo or get them directly from Nvidia? NB: The free drivers are working splendidly by the way
- noir_lord 6y ago
  akmod-nvidia because it just works on a 2080.
- orestarod 6y ago
  The free drivers work in the sense that you get a working desktop. But by no means can you get good performance on something that puts something other than light burden to your card. Nvidia gives no clues as to how to implement clock boost over the minimum base frequency in driver, so the free driver only uses the minimum available computing power, enough to get the desktop running.
croh 6y ago
Cinnamon with Mint is very stable and tuned, very good to get job done. It has very low cpu consumption. I don't know why but gnome always eats lots of resources. Plus this very old famous bug, keep me away from gnome-shell for good. https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=733297 https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=733297
- einpoklum 6y ago
  Nitpick: Mint (the distribution) uses Cinnamon as one of the options for a desktop environment.
- BearOso 6y ago
  > Cinnamon with Mint is very stable and tuned Unfortunately not. Muffin, the compositor is based on a really old version of Mutter, and it’s missing a lot of performance work and fixes that make latency lower and output less likely to hitch, hidpi works better, etc. They need to just drop their fork and use the upstream version. They haven’t added anything significant to Muffin to justify keeping it—-the differences to gnome are done with other packages.

dheera 6y ago

I've been using cinnamon as well but in 20.04 the new mac-ish taskbar that conflates the quick launch favorite apps and running apps in one widget turns me off. Starting to look for alternatives that aren't trying to copy Apple. Installed apps and running instances of installed apps are different concepts, damnit, and I don't need a phone-like interface that fakes the idea that all apps are "always running" when they are not.

stjohnswarts 6y ago
KDE? You would be surprised at how small it's footprint has shrunk, it's as small or smaller than cinnamon now.
- heavyset_go 6y ago
  KDE uses less memory than Xfce does.
  - bmn__ 6y ago
    > KDE uses less memory than Xfce does. KDE user here. What you say is false. Xfce is quite primitive in comparison, it has a miniscule amount of features and hence gets away with using less memory. Observational data: 3570M kwin_x11 (window manager) 2512M plasmashell (task panel) 1411M krunner (application launcher) 895M kded5 (?) 532M kactivitymanagerd (multiple desktops) 422M polkit-kde-authentication-agent-1 (?) 389M org_kde_powerdevil (energy settings) 352M kdeconnectd (use mobile phone as remote control) 220M xembedsniproxy (make tray icons work) 277M kaccess (accessibility keys?) 277M ksmserver (?) 276M plasma-browser-integration-host (Firefox can show desktop notifications) 276M kwalletd (password manager) 265M klauncher (?) 265M kglobalaccel5 (global keyboard combos) 213M kscreen_backend_launcher (changing screen orientation and resolution?) 153M kio_http_cache_cleaner (?) 101M kdeinit5 (?) 101M file.so [kdeinit5] file local:/run/user/1000/klauncherXHvFxc.1.slave-socket (?) 69M kdesud (caches sudo password) 7M xsettingsd (apply colour scheme to Gnome applications) 2M start_kdeinit (?) On top of that, some applications for comparison: 2805M ktorrent (file sharing) 694M konsole (terminal) 402M kate (text editor) ---- 570M xfce4-appfinder 332M tumblerd (makes thumbnail images) 331M Thunar (file manager) 283M xfdesktop 266M xfce4-panel 260M xfce4-session 251M xfce4-notifyd 223M xfconfd 220M xfwm4 205M xfce4-screensaver 190M xfsettingsd 188M wrapper-2.0 /usr/lib64/xfce4/panel/plugins/libactions.so 186M wrapper-2.0 /usr/lib64/xfce4/panel/plugins/libsystray.so 179M xfce4-power-manager On top of that, some applications for comparison: 411M mousepad (text editor) 363M xfce4-terminal (terminal) ---- KDE really has become very bloated. First of all, I cannot uninstall any part of that huge list with the exception of kdeconnectd (don't want/need) or plasma-browser-integration-host (maybe want/need); AFAICT this problem is existing, but not at all pronounced in Xfce. Due to lazy design choices by the responsible programmers, KDE fails to scale properly down to the user's circumstances or preferences. • I do not have multiple desktops configured, yet I must spend 532M • My computer chassis only has a power button that does something in the desktop environment when triggered, and any power saving settings are off, yet I must spend 389M for that • I do not have any of the five accessibility features enabled, yet I must spend 277M • I have only one monitor attached, yet I must spend 213M listening for an additional Then there are many initialisation processes hanging around after the desktop environment has already started. Xfce does not have this problem. A lot of the processes I cannot even identify in the sense of telling what use they are to me. Some processes exist only due to their own doing where the responsible programmers painted themselves into a corner (like with the tray icons fiasco), or no one competent stepped in and stopped the submission of a solution that has a simple and superior equivalent. • Why is there a 153M cache cleaner hanging around resident in memory? This is a job for periodic timer (cron/systemd). Even if real-time cleaning is needed for some bizarre reason, then one would attach an inotify listener to the cache directory, and every time a file is added or changed, a small <1M process executes that calculates the diskspace in use, and only when we are over the threshold, then execute the big cleaning process. Exit the process when done. • Why is there a daemon for applying the colour scheme? I mean, it's only 7M, but this used to be a checkbox in the settings dialogue.

stjohnswarts 6y ago

same here. the 4 quadrants limited tiling works pretty well. Sometimes switch over to KDE as well just to have a change of pace but unsurprisingly it works a lot like cinnamon, just with a lot more options that I dont' really change from the default :)