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"millennials shouldn't be arguing for more government intervention, but less" Your argument that government intervention is bad for millennials is flawed. With

"millennials shouldn't be arguing for more government intervention, but less" Your argument that government intervention is bad for millennials is flawed. Without government intervention such as eviction moratoriums, unemployment benefits and federal government stimulus checks there would have been massive homelessness. Prior to the pandemic 40% of americans could not cover a $400 emergency, all of these people would have been on the street without the government stepping in. At one point the unemployment rate as 15%. I cant really see how this would have been good for them. I would argue that specific and targeted government intervention such as complete student loan forgiveness would have a massive beneficial effect on millenials.

thatcat 6y ago
Some programs benefit them but the things you listed were secondary interventions, interventions. If there was no stimulus and business stayed open that would have benefited them.
pnutjam 6y ago
Burn it down is always a mistake in hindsight. There is alot of low hanging fruit to fix these issues; higher taxes; amendment to fix Citizen's United; revamp the Supreme Court.. All of these are easier then digging a shaft, jumping in, and trying to climb out. Speaking as someone who has no assets, no 401k, no home.
- bryanlarsen 6y ago
  https://www.movetoamend.org/amendment https://www.movetoamend.org/amendment thanks pnutjam
  - wonderwonder 6y ago
    Is a genetically modified human, or a person created through purely scientific means a natural person?
    - pnutjam 6y ago
      yes, but that's for the court to decide.
  - tengbretson 6y ago
    > Nothing in this amendment shall be construed to abridge freedom of the press. Cool, so instead of PACs we'd just candidate-backing "news" coalitions?
    - pnutjam 6y ago
      How is that worse? You're claiming it's the same?
      - tengbretson 6y ago
        I'm saying this couldn't work without explicitly including restrictions on the freedom of the press, since "the press" is the very vehicle by which money gets turned into political influence. Unless this amendment includes something akin to the fairness doctrine I can't see how it could possibly have the effect you are looking for.
        pnutjam 6y ago
        corporations != people The press does it's fair share, but you're wrong. Don't be afraid of change. If something isn't working; we should fix it.
        tengbretson 6y ago
        Perhaps corporations are not people, however "the press" is made of corporations. If there is to be no restriction on the press then what is to stop any corporate entity from advancing the cause of their politics as a member of the so-called press? > Don't be afraid of change. If something isn't working; we should fix it. Furthermore, this is a binary line of thinking that isn't even fit for a children's book. The world is not split between those that want change, and those that are afraid of change. It is very much possible for intelligent adults to consider the details of what is being prescribed and conclude that "that sounds at least as bad or possibly worse than the status quo."
        6y ago
throwaway56237 6y ago
Eviction moratoriums, unemployment benefits, and stimulus spending is the least the government can do when they're the arbiters of who is considered 'essential' and allowed to work. The real question is what happens when the restrictions on evictions are lifted and people are inevitably evicted into a second outbreak.
LoSboccacc 6y ago
massive rent price decrease, you mean.
beiller 6y ago
I don't really agree with that assessment. If there is mass layoffs for example, and renters can't pay rent, why would a landlord evict the tenant? Who is going to take their place? I think many landlords would prefer a potential to pay (owing rent) than full eviction and being forced to lower rent and uncertainty wouldn't they? I'm not saying there would be no evictions, but everyone homeless doesn't seem like a fully realistic outcome considering renting is a marketplace.
- charlesu 6y ago
  > I think many landlords would prefer a potential to pay (owing rent) than full eviction and being forced to lower rent and uncertainty wouldn't they Every land lord thinks they'll be able to rent their apartment, hence the need for the eviction moratorium. Their view is: if I leave in a tenant who won't pay, definitely won't make money, but if I evict them I can find someone else.
throwaway0a5e 6y ago
>Your argument that government intervention is bad for millennials is flawed. Without government intervention such as eviction moratoriums, unemployment benefits and federal government stimulus checks there would have been massive homelessness. Prior to the pandemic 40% of americans could not cover a $400 emergency, all of these people would have been on the street without the government stepping in. At one point the unemployment rate as 15%. I cant really see how this would have been good for them. It wouldn't have been "good for them" but it will hurt a hell of a lot less than when (at some undetermined point in the future) things come crashing down so hard that the government can't prop them up. We're preventing fire crackers from going off and eventually we're gonna get hit with a bomb. Right now the Fed's back is pretty close to the wall in terms of policy levers it can pull. Imagine a financial crisis comes along in 2021 or something, we could really be screwed.

thatcat 6y ago

Some programs benefit them but the things you listed were secondary interventions, interventions. If there was no stimulus and business stayed open that would have benefited them.

pnutjam 6y ago

Burn it down is always a mistake in hindsight. There is alot of low hanging fruit to fix these issues; higher taxes; amendment to fix Citizen's United; revamp the Supreme Court.. All of these are easier then digging a shaft, jumping in, and trying to climb out. Speaking as someone who has no assets, no 401k, no home.

bryanlarsen 6y ago
https://www.movetoamend.org/amendment https://www.movetoamend.org/amendment thanks pnutjam
- wonderwonder 6y ago
  Is a genetically modified human, or a person created through purely scientific means a natural person?
  - pnutjam 6y ago
    yes, but that's for the court to decide.
- tengbretson 6y ago
  > Nothing in this amendment shall be construed to abridge freedom of the press. Cool, so instead of PACs we'd just candidate-backing "news" coalitions?
  - pnutjam 6y ago
    How is that worse? You're claiming it's the same?
    - tengbretson 6y ago
      I'm saying this couldn't work without explicitly including restrictions on the freedom of the press, since "the press" is the very vehicle by which money gets turned into political influence. Unless this amendment includes something akin to the fairness doctrine I can't see how it could possibly have the effect you are looking for.
      - pnutjam 6y ago
        corporations != people The press does it's fair share, but you're wrong. Don't be afraid of change. If something isn't working; we should fix it.
        tengbretson 6y ago
        Perhaps corporations are not people, however "the press" is made of corporations. If there is to be no restriction on the press then what is to stop any corporate entity from advancing the cause of their politics as a member of the so-called press? > Don't be afraid of change. If something isn't working; we should fix it. Furthermore, this is a binary line of thinking that isn't even fit for a children's book. The world is not split between those that want change, and those that are afraid of change. It is very much possible for intelligent adults to consider the details of what is being prescribed and conclude that "that sounds at least as bad or possibly worse than the status quo."
        6y ago

throwaway56237 6y ago

Eviction moratoriums, unemployment benefits, and stimulus spending is the least the government can do when they're the arbiters of who is considered 'essential' and allowed to work. The real question is what happens when the restrictions on evictions are lifted and people are inevitably evicted into a second outbreak.

LoSboccacc 6y ago

massive rent price decrease, you mean.

beiller 6y ago

I don't really agree with that assessment. If there is mass layoffs for example, and renters can't pay rent, why would a landlord evict the tenant? Who is going to take their place? I think many landlords would prefer a potential to pay (owing rent) than full eviction and being forced to lower rent and uncertainty wouldn't they? I'm not saying there would be no evictions, but everyone homeless doesn't seem like a fully realistic outcome considering renting is a marketplace.

charlesu 6y ago
> I think many landlords would prefer a potential to pay (owing rent) than full eviction and being forced to lower rent and uncertainty wouldn't they Every land lord thinks they'll be able to rent their apartment, hence the need for the eviction moratorium. Their view is: if I leave in a tenant who won't pay, definitely won't make money, but if I evict them I can find someone else.

throwaway0a5e 6y ago

>Your argument that government intervention is bad for millennials is flawed. Without government intervention such as eviction moratoriums, unemployment benefits and federal government stimulus checks there would have been massive homelessness. Prior to the pandemic 40% of americans could not cover a $400 emergency, all of these people would have been on the street without the government stepping in. At one point the unemployment rate as 15%. I cant really see how this would have been good for them. It wouldn't have been "good for them" but it will hurt a hell of a lot less than when (at some undetermined point in the future) things come crashing down so hard that the government can't prop them up. We're preventing fire crackers from going off and eventually we're gonna get hit with a bomb. Right now the Fed's back is pretty close to the wall in terms of policy levers it can pull. Imagine a financial crisis comes along in 2021 or something, we could really be screwed.