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"We've made 3 applications requesting recognition as expert fair trial monitors and all denied" . . . Because it's not a fair trial, it's a sham trial which is

"We've made 3 applications requesting recognition as expert fair trial monitors and all denied" . . . Because it's not a fair trial, it's a sham trial which is being overshadowed by the US Gov't.

mamon 6y ago
Or maybe because Amnesty International are not "expert fair trial monitors"? They are just a politically biased NGO sponsored by one particular Hungarian billionare.
shadowgovt 6y ago
[citation needed]
- mantap 6y ago
  No citation needed. The onus is on the court to prove that the trial is fair. The mechanism for that is allowing the public to observe the proceedings. Otherwise an adverse inference may be drawn.
  - shadowgovt 6y ago
    Fortunately, public observation of the proceedings is allowed. https://twitter.com/JuliaHall18/status/1306197900289019904/photo/1 https://twitter.com/JuliaHall18/status/1306197900289019904/p...
    - salawat 6y ago
      Hitchhiker's Guide logic applies. >"But the plans were on display…” “On display? I eventually had to go down to the cellar to find them.” >“That’s the display department.” “With a flashlight.” >“Ah, well, the lights had probably gone.” “So had the stairs.” >“But look, you found the notice, didn’t you?” “Yes,” said Arthur, “yes I did. It was on display in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying ‘Beware of the Leopard." You can try all you want to hide behind "they had the same access as everyone else, I have no pity at all if they can't take interest in local politics/justice", but at the end of the day it isn't fooling anyone. If the Court were actually, truly trying to maintain it's credibility in the eyes of the international, let alone their national community, rather than refusing to acknowledge there might be a case where "Gee, maybe even the Courts of Great Britain might have a rather momentous occasion on their hands, where concessions are warranted over being territorially pissy because an outsider dares impugn the equanimity of the Court like it were some Third World Tin Pot Kangaroo court needing to be babysat. I"m really not trying to be flippant or dismissive, but given what I've seen of a prevailing English attitude in the post-Brexit age, it just seems like the country has given up on anything remotely resembling living up to it's lofty ideals in anyone else's eyes but their own in the post-Brexit era,and it saddens me as an American to see it. Doubly so, because I've always seen Europe as a brake/foil of sorts for our culture; so please don't think it's coming from a position of the pot calling kettle black so much as a teaball wondering why it is being forced into a Keurig. I certainly know how I expect things to go, but something about the circumstances surrounding what's going on just seems a bit off! For all we in the West have presented ourselves as beacons of Truth, Justice, and "Doing it the Right Way" over the years, it never ceases to amaze me how positively nasty things tend to get once you get someone in the crosshairs of the establishment, and no, I don't at all think that this case is being handled in an impartial manner from back room politics. Trust but Verify doesn't even do this any Justice at all.
- k1m 6y ago
  I don't know what would be a good citation for you, but maybe the International Bar Association ("the global voice of the legal profession"): > With this extradition trial we are witnessing the serious undermining of due process and the rule of law. - https://www.ibanet.org/Article/NewDetail.aspx?ArticleUid=c05c57ee-1fee-47dc-99f9-26824208a750 https://www.ibanet.org/Article/NewDetail.aspx?ArticleUid=c05...
- meroes 6y ago
  https://www.independent.co.uk/news/donald-trump-julian-assange-extradition-hearing-b447768.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/donald-trump-julian-assan...

"We've made 3 applications requesting recognition as expert fair trial monitors and all denied" . . . Because it's not a fair trial, it's a sham trial which is being overshadowed by the US Gov't.

mamon 6y ago

Or maybe because Amnesty International are not "expert fair trial monitors"? They are just a politically biased NGO sponsored by one particular Hungarian billionare.

shadowgovt 6y ago

[citation needed]

mantap 6y ago
No citation needed. The onus is on the court to prove that the trial is fair. The mechanism for that is allowing the public to observe the proceedings. Otherwise an adverse inference may be drawn.
- shadowgovt 6y ago
  Fortunately, public observation of the proceedings is allowed. https://twitter.com/JuliaHall18/status/1306197900289019904/photo/1 https://twitter.com/JuliaHall18/status/1306197900289019904/p...
  - salawat 6y ago
    Hitchhiker's Guide logic applies. >"But the plans were on display…” “On display? I eventually had to go down to the cellar to find them.” >“That’s the display department.” “With a flashlight.” >“Ah, well, the lights had probably gone.” “So had the stairs.” >“But look, you found the notice, didn’t you?” “Yes,” said Arthur, “yes I did. It was on display in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying ‘Beware of the Leopard." You can try all you want to hide behind "they had the same access as everyone else, I have no pity at all if they can't take interest in local politics/justice", but at the end of the day it isn't fooling anyone. If the Court were actually, truly trying to maintain it's credibility in the eyes of the international, let alone their national community, rather than refusing to acknowledge there might be a case where "Gee, maybe even the Courts of Great Britain might have a rather momentous occasion on their hands, where concessions are warranted over being territorially pissy because an outsider dares impugn the equanimity of the Court like it were some Third World Tin Pot Kangaroo court needing to be babysat. I"m really not trying to be flippant or dismissive, but given what I've seen of a prevailing English attitude in the post-Brexit age, it just seems like the country has given up on anything remotely resembling living up to it's lofty ideals in anyone else's eyes but their own in the post-Brexit era,and it saddens me as an American to see it. Doubly so, because I've always seen Europe as a brake/foil of sorts for our culture; so please don't think it's coming from a position of the pot calling kettle black so much as a teaball wondering why it is being forced into a Keurig. I certainly know how I expect things to go, but something about the circumstances surrounding what's going on just seems a bit off! For all we in the West have presented ourselves as beacons of Truth, Justice, and "Doing it the Right Way" over the years, it never ceases to amaze me how positively nasty things tend to get once you get someone in the crosshairs of the establishment, and no, I don't at all think that this case is being handled in an impartial manner from back room politics. Trust but Verify doesn't even do this any Justice at all.
k1m 6y ago
I don't know what would be a good citation for you, but maybe the International Bar Association ("the global voice of the legal profession"): > With this extradition trial we are witnessing the serious undermining of due process and the rule of law. - https://www.ibanet.org/Article/NewDetail.aspx?ArticleUid=c05c57ee-1fee-47dc-99f9-26824208a750 https://www.ibanet.org/Article/NewDetail.aspx?ArticleUid=c05...
meroes 6y ago
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/donald-trump-julian-assange-extradition-hearing-b447768.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/donald-trump-julian-assan...