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The profane language really isn’t necessary. It would be helpful to understand what portion of apps are negatively impacted by the new iOS version. If it’s insi

The profane language really isn’t necessary. It would be helpful to understand what portion of apps are negatively impacted by the new iOS version. If it’s insignificant, there’s really no strong incentive for Apple to specifically set a launch date with developers. It’s besides the point by the profanity just weakens the argument. Presumably the iOS beta has been out long enough that developers could have pushed out an update if their app seriously breaks with the update.

reedf1 6y ago
Yeah it's fucking bullshit.
saagarjha 6y ago
> there’s really no strong incentive for Apple to specifically set a launch date with developers Except that they used to do it a week later every year? And that there is no reason to release it tomorrow, like new hardware that ships with that pre-installed? > Presumably the iOS beta has been out long enough that developers could have pushed out an update if their app seriously breaks with the update. You can’t push out an update for the new OS except using the blessed toolchain that Apple released today. That’s what we’re annoyed about, not that the beta period was too short.
bumblebritches5 6y ago
> The profane language really isn’t necessary. No one cares, boomer.
alias_neo 6y ago
People have different opinions on the use of profanity. It's a language tool, like any other, and I find in my use of it, it expresses sentiment quite clearly, whether that be humour or frustration. The article is the author's speech, it is their choice to use or not use language tools as they desire, but I ask you this. How would you title the article while maintaining the clear and concise form? I don't believe profanity does weaken the argument, it shows that people (developers) are getting beyond the point of being able to maintain their decorum because of the sheer frustration at the arbitrary rules and actions from a company who's trillions are made, in a no insignificant part on the backs of others' work.
- tracer4201 6y ago
  I’ll counter your question with a question of my own. How would you title a document at your work that’s trying to convey that some process or practice doesn’t help customers and burns trust? I’m not saying we need the same decorum in personal writing. But I am stating there’s another way to make the argument.
  - alias_neo 6y ago
    Of course we write professionally at work. But that's work, and there is a level of bullshit required in all professional writing, because that is what is required. This isn't work, this is a personal blog, where someone is clearly and concisely expressing how many people feel using language that many people can relate to. I'm sure many have made the same argument before, and many feel the same way about Apple and its tactics, however, this one is ranking high on HN right now because it has a title which clicks with people's frustration. Apple's being an "asshole", there's no need to mince words.

reedf1 6y ago

Yeah it's fucking bullshit.

saagarjha 6y ago

> there’s really no strong incentive for Apple to specifically set a launch date with developers Except that they used to do it a week later every year? And that there is no reason to release it tomorrow, like new hardware that ships with that pre-installed? > Presumably the iOS beta has been out long enough that developers could have pushed out an update if their app seriously breaks with the update. You can’t push out an update for the new OS except using the blessed toolchain that Apple released today. That’s what we’re annoyed about, not that the beta period was too short.

bumblebritches5 6y ago

> The profane language really isn’t necessary. No one cares, boomer.

alias_neo 6y ago

People have different opinions on the use of profanity. It's a language tool, like any other, and I find in my use of it, it expresses sentiment quite clearly, whether that be humour or frustration. The article is the author's speech, it is their choice to use or not use language tools as they desire, but I ask you this. How would you title the article while maintaining the clear and concise form? I don't believe profanity does weaken the argument, it shows that people (developers) are getting beyond the point of being able to maintain their decorum because of the sheer frustration at the arbitrary rules and actions from a company who's trillions are made, in a no insignificant part on the backs of others' work.

tracer4201 6y ago
I’ll counter your question with a question of my own. How would you title a document at your work that’s trying to convey that some process or practice doesn’t help customers and burns trust? I’m not saying we need the same decorum in personal writing. But I am stating there’s another way to make the argument.
- alias_neo 6y ago
  Of course we write professionally at work. But that's work, and there is a level of bullshit required in all professional writing, because that is what is required. This isn't work, this is a personal blog, where someone is clearly and concisely expressing how many people feel using language that many people can relate to. I'm sure many have made the same argument before, and many feel the same way about Apple and its tactics, however, this one is ranking high on HN right now because it has a title which clicks with people's frustration. Apple's being an "asshole", there's no need to mince words.