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> And in commercial companies, internal tensions are usually fixed very quickly I would love to know what companies have good systems to keep internal tensions

> And in commercial companies, internal tensions are usually fixed very quickly I would love to know what companies have good systems to keep internal tensions in check because I've never even seen a single company that had that figured out.

lightgreen 6y ago
> I would love to know what companies have good systems to keep internal tensions in check because I've never even seen a single company that had that figured out. Probably most companies deal with tensions more or less successfully. They have good instruments to manage these things: yearly bonuses and option to fire employees who do not cooperate. Obviously these instruments are not available in open-source projects.
- codezero 6y ago
  What companies, and what are those instruments? I'm sincerely curious, I have worked in tech for 20 years, and while some companies are active in trying to make sure teams work well together, I've never seen one that had specific systems for keeping tensions in check - maybe it's because I've worked for <1000 people companies?
  - lightgreen 6y ago
    All successful companies, and these instruments are: 1) bonuses for successful work, which includes ability to resolve conflicts peacefully; 2) option to fire employees who don't work well, in particular, those who don't get along with the team and hire a replacement. > I've never seen one that had specific systems for keeping tensions in check It does not work perfectly, for sure. But in free-time opensource project, if you don't like something, you can always express this loudly, or just stop caring about this project, because leaving the opensource project is not a big deal. Unlike employment, when if you quit or fired, you get a lot of stress, you are seriously motiviated to get conflict resolved. Long time ago I read an interesting article about how hard is to be a manager in a terrorist organisation. You don't pay people money, at least not a lot, there's no contract, employees goal are likely very different from yours. They quit randomly, they do whatever they want, and it's hard to achieve some discipline. I think this is kind of similar environment as in open-source project (except, open-source contributers don't blow themselves up).
    - codezero 6y ago
      Again you’ve failed to provide a single example from your experience so I’m left to assume you have none. Sorry, it sounds like you have idealized views that don’t match with actually working at tech companies. Please don’t proselytize things that you have no experience with - it can be massively distracting and confusing for people who are in situations where your advice seems like pure gaslighting. Bonuses are not a way to ease interpersonal tension, in fact, they make them worse. If I’ve misread this in any way, please let me know, but don’t further waste my time with bullshit.

lightgreen 6y ago

> I would love to know what companies have good systems to keep internal tensions in check because I've never even seen a single company that had that figured out. Probably most companies deal with tensions more or less successfully. They have good instruments to manage these things: yearly bonuses and option to fire employees who do not cooperate. Obviously these instruments are not available in open-source projects.

codezero 6y ago
What companies, and what are those instruments? I'm sincerely curious, I have worked in tech for 20 years, and while some companies are active in trying to make sure teams work well together, I've never seen one that had specific systems for keeping tensions in check - maybe it's because I've worked for <1000 people companies?
- lightgreen 6y ago
  All successful companies, and these instruments are: 1) bonuses for successful work, which includes ability to resolve conflicts peacefully; 2) option to fire employees who don't work well, in particular, those who don't get along with the team and hire a replacement. > I've never seen one that had specific systems for keeping tensions in check It does not work perfectly, for sure. But in free-time opensource project, if you don't like something, you can always express this loudly, or just stop caring about this project, because leaving the opensource project is not a big deal. Unlike employment, when if you quit or fired, you get a lot of stress, you are seriously motiviated to get conflict resolved. Long time ago I read an interesting article about how hard is to be a manager in a terrorist organisation. You don't pay people money, at least not a lot, there's no contract, employees goal are likely very different from yours. They quit randomly, they do whatever they want, and it's hard to achieve some discipline. I think this is kind of similar environment as in open-source project (except, open-source contributers don't blow themselves up).
  - codezero 6y ago
    Again you’ve failed to provide a single example from your experience so I’m left to assume you have none. Sorry, it sounds like you have idealized views that don’t match with actually working at tech companies. Please don’t proselytize things that you have no experience with - it can be massively distracting and confusing for people who are in situations where your advice seems like pure gaslighting. Bonuses are not a way to ease interpersonal tension, in fact, they make them worse. If I’ve misread this in any way, please let me know, but don’t further waste my time with bullshit.