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Apple owns your operating system, your hardware. It sells networking devices, printers, misc. peripherals. It offers service as software replacements, for email

Apple owns your operating system, your hardware. It sells networking devices, printers, misc. peripherals. It offers service as software replacements, for email, file hosting, navigation, speech recognition. Apple has a marketplace for software. It has a marketplace for books. It has a marketplace for multimedia entertainment. It has its own tv. You can handcuff an apple device to your wrist, and let them own your watch, your voice, your fingerprints. Get your head out of the sand.

turdnagel 6y ago
When you say "own your fingerprints" what do you mean? What does it mean to own my fingerprints, and how does Apple own them?
- jacobwilliamroy 6y ago
  They collect our names and biometrics for multi-factor authentication.
  - jagged-chisel 6y ago
    Your fingerprints and face ID data never leave the device. There’s plenty of documentation about this.
  - zaroth 6y ago
    In fact they do not collect biometrics. Not even under the NSA’s definition of “collect”.
  - turdnagel 6y ago
    Are you talking about on device authentication or iCloud authentication? The biometrics for unlocking are only stored on device. Your name is associated with your account, yes. I can’t tell if you’re trolling? You also haven’t said what it means to “own” fingerprints.
thrwn_frthr_awy 6y ago
> It sells networking devices, printers They do not. > It has its own tv. The do not > your fingerprints Fingerprints never leave the device or stored in iCloud
- jacobwilliamroy 6y ago
  You're not paying attention Apple NAS: https://www.walmart.com/ip/Apple-AirPort-Time-Capsule-2TB-Storage-5th-Generation-ME177LL-A-3-Ethernet-C/554170212?wmlspartner=wlpa&selectedSellerId=4720&&adid=22222222227334352975&wl0=&wl1=g&wl2=c&wl3=418064950451&wl4=pla-873368726610&wl5=9032816&wl6=&wl7=&wl8=&wl9=pla&wl10=114233243&wl11=online&wl12=554170212&veh=sem&gclid=EAIaIQobChMImNzcg47s6wIVxh6tBh0uAwdUEAQYBCABEgInuvD_BwE https://www.walmart.com/ip/Apple-AirPort-Time-Capsule-2TB-St... Apple 802.11ac wireless AP: https://www.priceblaze.com/me918ll-a-Apple-Network-Routers?ref=gshp&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI4rywrY3s6wIVoh-tBh16fQtSEAQYASABEgJNzfD_BwE https://www.priceblaze.com/me918ll-a-Apple-Network-Routers?r... Apple TV: https://www.apple.com/apple-tv-4k/ https://www.apple.com/apple-tv-4k/ I was wrong about printers though. They just have their own proprietary printer protocol in air print And how do you know those biometrics stay on device? How do you know they will continue to stay on the device? It's not your kernel. It's THEIR kernel. They can do whatever they want.
  - rthille 6y ago
    You're not paying attention. Apple discontinued the Time Capsule and Airport product lines in 2018: https://www.macworld.com/article/3269361/apple-discontinues-the-airport-time-capsule-airport-extreme-and-airport-express.html https://www.macworld.com/article/3269361/apple-discontinues-... And a media streamer box isn't a TV
  - thrwn_frthr_awy 6y ago
    They no longer make networking devices. The one in your link discontinued for a few years. And the Apple TV isn't actually a TV :/
    - jacobwilliamroy 6y ago

turdnagel 6y ago

When you say "own your fingerprints" what do you mean? What does it mean to own my fingerprints, and how does Apple own them?

jacobwilliamroy 6y ago
They collect our names and biometrics for multi-factor authentication.
- jagged-chisel 6y ago
  Your fingerprints and face ID data never leave the device. There’s plenty of documentation about this.
- zaroth 6y ago
  In fact they do not collect biometrics. Not even under the NSA’s definition of “collect”.
- turdnagel 6y ago
  Are you talking about on device authentication or iCloud authentication? The biometrics for unlocking are only stored on device. Your name is associated with your account, yes. I can’t tell if you’re trolling? You also haven’t said what it means to “own” fingerprints.

thrwn_frthr_awy 6y ago

> It sells networking devices, printers They do not. > It has its own tv. The do not > your fingerprints Fingerprints never leave the device or stored in iCloud

jacobwilliamroy 6y ago
You're not paying attention Apple NAS: https://www.walmart.com/ip/Apple-AirPort-Time-Capsule-2TB-Storage-5th-Generation-ME177LL-A-3-Ethernet-C/554170212?wmlspartner=wlpa&selectedSellerId=4720&&adid=22222222227334352975&wl0=&wl1=g&wl2=c&wl3=418064950451&wl4=pla-873368726610&wl5=9032816&wl6=&wl7=&wl8=&wl9=pla&wl10=114233243&wl11=online&wl12=554170212&veh=sem&gclid=EAIaIQobChMImNzcg47s6wIVxh6tBh0uAwdUEAQYBCABEgInuvD_BwE https://www.walmart.com/ip/Apple-AirPort-Time-Capsule-2TB-St... Apple 802.11ac wireless AP: https://www.priceblaze.com/me918ll-a-Apple-Network-Routers?ref=gshp&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI4rywrY3s6wIVoh-tBh16fQtSEAQYASABEgJNzfD_BwE https://www.priceblaze.com/me918ll-a-Apple-Network-Routers?r... Apple TV: https://www.apple.com/apple-tv-4k/ https://www.apple.com/apple-tv-4k/ I was wrong about printers though. They just have their own proprietary printer protocol in air print And how do you know those biometrics stay on device? How do you know they will continue to stay on the device? It's not your kernel. It's THEIR kernel. They can do whatever they want.
- rthille 6y ago
  You're not paying attention. Apple discontinued the Time Capsule and Airport product lines in 2018: https://www.macworld.com/article/3269361/apple-discontinues-the-airport-time-capsule-airport-extreme-and-airport-express.html https://www.macworld.com/article/3269361/apple-discontinues-... And a media streamer box isn't a TV
- thrwn_frthr_awy 6y ago
  They no longer make networking devices. The one in your link discontinued for a few years. And the Apple TV isn't actually a TV :/
  - jacobwilliamroy 6y ago