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Jerry Brown on a California Exodus: ‘Tell Me: Where Are You Going to Go?’

4 points by Alupis 6y ago

AnimalMuppet 6y ago
Somewhere with lower taxes. Somewhere with fewer homeless. Somewhere with a less ideologically-driven state government. Somewhere that lets fires burn now and then, to keep them from turning into monsters when they do happen. Somewhere that has a power company that is able to maintain infrastructure, rather than having that infrastructure causing fires. And somewhere that allows a new power plant to be build every once in a while, so that they don't keep having rolling blackouts year after year. To the degree that the fires are a product of global warming/climate change, and that's also causing worse tornadoes and worse hurricanes, to that degree there's kind of nowhere to really go. I mean, you can dodge the effects to some degree, but not really. But to the degree that the fires are a result of bad decisions, going somewhere that competently makes such decisions does in fact make sense.
- onecommentman 6y ago
  “You can dodge the effects to some degree, but not really.” Yes really (statistically really) you can. You personally. Not the county or the region, but you personally can. The likelihood of being affected by fires, floods, earthquakes, hurricanes, tornadoes and bad Mexican food can be reduced or eliminated by where you live and how you live in the US. Don’t live on a fault line. Don’t live on the Gulf Coast. Don’t live in a fire-prone forested area. Or build your house to be robust to the regional risks...ask the locals. You absolutely have meaningful agency in this. Whether or not it’s all just weather and the tzu-jan of Nature.
Cheyana 6y ago
Arizona. We've been seeing more and more California license plates since the pandemic started.
onecommentman 6y ago
“Tell me, where are you going to go?” threatened the abusive husband to the cowering wife. That comment is a bit “let-them-eat-cakey” even for California royalty. And the other comments seemed to me more “après Jerry, le delugé“...pretty typical for guys like him of his age. Consider the 1960s, probably the most formative decade for California as a US State. When the “death of the hippie” was announced in 1967, the heat-seekers were already leaving. Some stayed in California, but many went to small obscure places in the rest of the US. Under-appreciated places that were made the new cool places by the creative energies of the newcomers. They did not move to prepackaged hipness...there wasn’t any, except for maybe NYC and they had just left there to go to SF and weren’t coming back. If the Bay Area or California is your place of the heart, then you should stay. But don’t stay out of fear. There is a big wide wonderful country out there, and you have the golden ticket to go wherever you want. Keep your mind open, make a commitment when it’s right, and build a good life wherever your heart tells you to stay. But don’t be a self-important preachy idiot to the locals in the process, or your bodily remains will be discovered in some bayou, holler or arroyo.
a3n 6y ago
"Where Are You Going to Go?’ " ... We are causing this,” Yes, we are causing this. And as an essential worker (trucker), who rents (not in California), all I can do is vote, converse, and post the occasional snarky comment. If my rental and community burned to the ground, I would obviously move, and I'd give serious consideration to moving somewhere that is not doing ... this, at the moment, since the moment is a renter's most relevant investment.

4 points by Alupis 6y ago

Somewhere with lower taxes. Somewhere with fewer homeless. Somewhere with a less ideologically-driven state government. Somewhere that lets fires burn now and then, to keep them from turning into monsters when they do happen. Somewhere that has a power company that is able to maintain infrastructure, rather than having that infrastructure causing fires. And somewhere that allows a new power plant to be build every once in a while, so that they don't keep having rolling blackouts year after year. To the degree that the fires are a product of global warming/climate change, and that's also causing worse tornadoes and worse hurricanes, to that degree there's kind of nowhere to really go. I mean, you can dodge the effects to some degree, but not really. But to the degree that the fires are a result of bad decisions, going somewhere that competently makes such decisions does in fact make sense.

onecommentman 6y ago
“You can dodge the effects to some degree, but not really.” Yes really (statistically really) you can. You personally. Not the county or the region, but you personally can. The likelihood of being affected by fires, floods, earthquakes, hurricanes, tornadoes and bad Mexican food can be reduced or eliminated by where you live and how you live in the US. Don’t live on a fault line. Don’t live on the Gulf Coast. Don’t live in a fire-prone forested area. Or build your house to be robust to the regional risks...ask the locals. You absolutely have meaningful agency in this. Whether or not it’s all just weather and the tzu-jan of Nature.

Cheyana 6y ago

Arizona. We've been seeing more and more California license plates since the pandemic started.

onecommentman 6y ago

“Tell me, where are you going to go?” threatened the abusive husband to the cowering wife. That comment is a bit “let-them-eat-cakey” even for California royalty. And the other comments seemed to me more “après Jerry, le delugé“...pretty typical for guys like him of his age. Consider the 1960s, probably the most formative decade for California as a US State. When the “death of the hippie” was announced in 1967, the heat-seekers were already leaving. Some stayed in California, but many went to small obscure places in the rest of the US. Under-appreciated places that were made the new cool places by the creative energies of the newcomers. They did not move to prepackaged hipness...there wasn’t any, except for maybe NYC and they had just left there to go to SF and weren’t coming back. If the Bay Area or California is your place of the heart, then you should stay. But don’t stay out of fear. There is a big wide wonderful country out there, and you have the golden ticket to go wherever you want. Keep your mind open, make a commitment when it’s right, and build a good life wherever your heart tells you to stay. But don’t be a self-important preachy idiot to the locals in the process, or your bodily remains will be discovered in some bayou, holler or arroyo.

a3n 6y ago

"Where Are You Going to Go?’ " ... We are causing this,” Yes, we are causing this. And as an essential worker (trucker), who rents (not in California), all I can do is vote, converse, and post the occasional snarky comment. If my rental and community burned to the ground, I would obviously move, and I'd give serious consideration to moving somewhere that is not doing ... this, at the moment, since the moment is a renter's most relevant investment.