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> Can't you see where they're going with this? Can you see the slippery slope you're invoking? Apple owns the operating system you use. That is where it stops

> Can't you see where they're going with this? Can you see the slippery slope you're invoking? Apple owns the operating system you use. That is where it stops in your example. They don't force ownership of software, the network stack, the gym you visit (lol), where you work, etc. Where's your head at, other than "ApPlE BaD"?

kmonsen 6y ago
Right, but it is almost impossible for anyone else to compete in the ecosystem. If another major fitness brand wants to do the same the probably cannot because: - The tight integration is not possible, only Apple can build these kind of Apple Watch experiences. - They would need to pay Apple 30%, maybe making this not profitable especially against Apple's own offering that can have internal pricing where the 30% never comes into play.
- clajiness 6y ago
  Peloton’s doing a great job, they have an Apple Watch app, and I don’t believe Apple is getting 30% out of them. Peloton’s ecosystem is awesome.
  - kmonsen 6y ago
    I have a peloton bike and I love it. I also like to run with peloton outdoors, but I can’t do that with just the Apple Watch. It seems likely the Apple will offer something similar for their service that will work with watch only.
- prawn 6y ago
  Probably not as tight as their integration, but we have a (far less polished, but effectively made by one person) workout app with Watch and Music integration. On Watch, iPhone, iPad and Apple TV. One-time cost though as opposed to their monthly subscription.
jacobwilliamroy 6y ago
Apple owns your operating system, your hardware. It sells networking devices, printers, misc. peripherals. It offers service as software replacements, for email, file hosting, navigation, speech recognition. Apple has a marketplace for software. It has a marketplace for books. It has a marketplace for multimedia entertainment. It has its own tv. You can handcuff an apple device to your wrist, and let them own your watch, your voice, your fingerprints. Get your head out of the sand.
- turdnagel 6y ago
  When you say "own your fingerprints" what do you mean? What does it mean to own my fingerprints, and how does Apple own them?
  - jacobwilliamroy 6y ago
    They collect our names and biometrics for multi-factor authentication.
    - jagged-chisel 6y ago
      Your fingerprints and face ID data never leave the device. There’s plenty of documentation about this.
    - zaroth 6y ago
      In fact they do not collect biometrics. Not even under the NSA’s definition of “collect”.
    - turdnagel 6y ago
      Are you talking about on device authentication or iCloud authentication? The biometrics for unlocking are only stored on device. Your name is associated with your account, yes. I can’t tell if you’re trolling? You also haven’t said what it means to “own” fingerprints.
- thrwn_frthr_awy 6y ago
  > It sells networking devices, printers They do not. > It has its own tv. The do not > your fingerprints Fingerprints never leave the device or stored in iCloud

kmonsen 6y ago

Right, but it is almost impossible for anyone else to compete in the ecosystem. If another major fitness brand wants to do the same the probably cannot because: - The tight integration is not possible, only Apple can build these kind of Apple Watch experiences. - They would need to pay Apple 30%, maybe making this not profitable especially against Apple's own offering that can have internal pricing where the 30% never comes into play.

clajiness 6y ago
Peloton’s doing a great job, they have an Apple Watch app, and I don’t believe Apple is getting 30% out of them. Peloton’s ecosystem is awesome.
- kmonsen 6y ago
  I have a peloton bike and I love it. I also like to run with peloton outdoors, but I can’t do that with just the Apple Watch. It seems likely the Apple will offer something similar for their service that will work with watch only.
prawn 6y ago
Probably not as tight as their integration, but we have a (far less polished, but effectively made by one person) workout app with Watch and Music integration. On Watch, iPhone, iPad and Apple TV. One-time cost though as opposed to their monthly subscription.

jacobwilliamroy 6y ago

Apple owns your operating system, your hardware. It sells networking devices, printers, misc. peripherals. It offers service as software replacements, for email, file hosting, navigation, speech recognition. Apple has a marketplace for software. It has a marketplace for books. It has a marketplace for multimedia entertainment. It has its own tv. You can handcuff an apple device to your wrist, and let them own your watch, your voice, your fingerprints. Get your head out of the sand.

turdnagel 6y ago
When you say "own your fingerprints" what do you mean? What does it mean to own my fingerprints, and how does Apple own them?
- jacobwilliamroy 6y ago
  They collect our names and biometrics for multi-factor authentication.
  - jagged-chisel 6y ago
    Your fingerprints and face ID data never leave the device. There’s plenty of documentation about this.
  - zaroth 6y ago
    In fact they do not collect biometrics. Not even under the NSA’s definition of “collect”.
  - turdnagel 6y ago
    Are you talking about on device authentication or iCloud authentication? The biometrics for unlocking are only stored on device. Your name is associated with your account, yes. I can’t tell if you’re trolling? You also haven’t said what it means to “own” fingerprints.
thrwn_frthr_awy 6y ago
> It sells networking devices, printers They do not. > It has its own tv. The do not > your fingerprints Fingerprints never leave the device or stored in iCloud