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I like the idea of Apple Fitness+. That it provides an integrated experience with the watch and another device (iPhone/iPad/Apple TV) is exactly what I’ve been
by newscracker 6y ago
I like the idea of Apple Fitness+. That it provides an integrated experience with the watch and another device (iPhone/iPad/Apple TV) is exactly what I’ve been waiting for all these years!
No need to create yet another online account on a service that may share (or sell or probably lose) my workout and health information. The workout recommendations are computed on-device, and the data stays on the devices (health data is encrypted before storing on iCloud or in iTunes/Finder backups on the Mac). This is how private I prefer it to be.
The casual fitness market (for lack of a better term) is really huge. With Apple Watch SE and the standalone yearly price (covering family members) which seems like a great deal, this is just the beginning of another growth area for Apple. If Apple combines fitness with fun, like Wii Fit or Ring Fit Adventure, that’ll be the biggest worldwide fitness service ever.
I can’t wait to try this out.
- 88840-8855 6y agoI disagree. YET ANOTHER feature that is linked to ONE SINGLE account. If apple decides to block your account, everything is gone. This happened some time ago to my microsoft account - everything gone. And why? Because I have uploaded (automatically) a nude picture of my gf to their cloud, it was detected by their algorithm and my account was locked. I had to communicate with microsoft by a PAPER LETTER(!) to understand WHY my account was locked in the first place and that they would not care to unlock it. This happened 3 years ago. Their policy might differ today regarding nude content. But for me it was a shock and a lesson.
- threatofrain 6y agoAre nude photos not permitted on iCloud? With the ubiquity of iPhones, it's difficult to believe iCloud isn't filled with nude photos.
- chromedev 6y agoDon't you remember when all those nude celebrity iCloud photos got leaked?
- chromedev 6y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICloud_leaks_of_celebrity_photos https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICloud_leaks_of_celebrity_phot...
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- DevKoala 6y agoThey are permitted. My girlfriend and I are often long distance and we share an album. I didn’t know Microsoft had such bogus restrictions.
- infogulch 6y agoThe anecdotal evidence is helpful, but it doesn't fully answer the question that GP really wanted answered: Is it Apple's policy to allow nude photos in iCloud? Apple is known to start enforcing broad rules in new ways without notice. Unless they've made a positive statement confirming that such photos are allowed (I don't know, seems unlikely), I would assume that it's possible for Apple to turn on a nudity classification ML on everyone's photos tomorrow and ban anyone that matches just like Microsoft. I also think that Apple seems to respect user privacy / rights better than Microsoft (though not so much developers). So you might say it's unlikely, but my point is that it's possible; act accordingly. Is it your personal account and you have a backup and you don't think the risk is worth the hassle? Sure, do whatever you want. But is this Apple account even associated with the developer account of an app that makes your living? I would think twice.
- angrais 6y agoCan you describe this procedure more? For example, did you use the same album each time? Did you both uploaded to the album or only her or you? Did you keep the previous photos in the album? How'd you feel seeing yourself in the album? Curious as I've never heard anyone shading albums ... Makes sense of course.
- mike_d 6y agoWas your girlfriend of age? To the best of my knowledge the only thing Microsoft searches for and actions in user uploaded files is content that hits against PhotoDNA. https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/photodna https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/photodna
- thdrdt 6y agoDoes it matter? As a parent I might upload a private nude picture of my kids which is perfectly fine.
- varispeed 6y agoIt is no longer private if you upload it to cloud.
- eric_cc 6y agoAs a parent: That's pretty weird..
- yomly 6y agoDepends on your relationship with cloud storage: 10-20 years ago it was pretty normal to keep and show off nude photos of your kids. I've seen plenty of nude photos of my friends from "a heatwave in the garden + paddling pool" when they were a toddler. There's nothing sexual or nude about it unless you want to make it that way. For 99.x% percent of us, having one of two genders is as universal as it comes...
- Proziam 6y agoEvery parent I know (and I'm 28) has photos of their kids running around doing generic kid things while nude, or making weird faces while playing in the bathtub. The practice finding its way into the modern cloud is completely unsurprising.
- 88840-8855 6y agoMy gf is 29.
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- newyorker2 6y agoAh yes, those pesky Microsoft-Apple™ cloud guidelines.
- georgespencer 6y agoIt can be really tough to see beyond one's own isolated experience, but you are expressing something analogous to a refusal to fly on any airline because one airline lost your ticket. Whilst there's certainly a risk of your ticket being lost, as you found, for 99.99% of people tickets work just fine and are never lost.
- dang 6y agoPlease don't use uppercase for emphasis. If you want to emphasize a word or phrase, put asterisks around it and it will get italicized. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.
- gumby 6y agoIt’s also a pain for shared resources, e.g. Apple TV
- jacobwilliamroy 6y agoDo you like the idea of Apple owning the operating system you use, the computer it runs on, all the apps running on that operating system, the entire network stack, all of the network services, the gym you visit, the money you use, the school you attend, the church where you worship, the food that you buy, the place where you work, the hospital where you die? Can't you see where they're going with this?
- aYsY4dDQ2NrcNzA 6y agoPlease spell it out. I’d like to know which flavor of dystopia you’re picturing.
- zepto 6y agoIt would have been nice if Google hadn’t betrayed their promise of Android being open. Then we’d have had a good alternative.
- chromedev 6y agoGoogle didn't betray their promise. Android is open source and Apple not Microsoft have open sourced their operating system.
- Andrew_nenakhov 6y agoWith each new release, more and more parts of Android are reliant on proprietary Google APIs. It is known. If you remove everything Google from Android 19, you'll be surprised how little it can do.
- chromedev 6y agoLittle as in what? You're being very vague. Do you want to use official Google Apps without the Google APIs? At least the OS is open source, but I can have a very functional device without needing gapps. Same with COS on their cloud platform. Apple is actively preventing users from even installing apps outside their app store.
- chromedev 6y agoHow do you know? Do you believe everything Apple tells you? Do you even know what type of encryption they are supposedly using in the cloud? What about when you login to your iCloud account, do you not think they can access your data if they wanted to?
- piva00 6y agoExtraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Given Apple's own iCloud security detail [1] stating explicitly: > For certain sensitive information, Apple uses end-to-end encryption. This means that only you can access your information, and only on devices where you’re signed into iCloud. No one else, not even Apple, can access end-to-end encrypted information. > In some cases, your iCloud data may be stored using third-party partners’ servers—such as Amazon Web Services or Google Cloud Platform—but these partners don’t have the keys to decrypt your data stored on their servers. I'd like to see your evidence to these claims, if there are none then please retract them, HN isn't reddit. [1] https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202303 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202303
- ryanmarsh 6y agoThe Peloton app already does this (you don’t need their fitness machines). Their digital team is pretty great.
- biztos 6y agoI would prefer the market be more diverse. I spend a fair amount of time on fitness and haven't found any tracking app that floats my boat -- Apple's being especially awful from a UX perspective in my opinion -- and I'd really like to think that if I come up with a better idea, I won't have to subsidize Tim Cook's latest vertical takeover with 30% of my indie revenue, or worse: my customers' indie revenue. At the risk of veering off topic, I think Apple is making a huge mistake trying to capture as much app-related revenue as possible. Passionate developers are a big part of what enables their industry-leading margins on all that shiny hardware. 30% is fair, or at least "normal," for some things, but trying to get it from my personal trainer is beyond the pale.
- heartbreak 6y agoYour personal trainer doesn't have to pay a 30% cut to Apple.
- biztos 6y agoAre you sure? Say I make a training platform that does some interaction (one-to-many as is quite typical of training) and also handles the payments as well as tracking etc. As I understand the rules "I" will have to give 30% to Apple in that case, but if my business model is fine with say 5%, won't she (the trainer) effectively pay the rest? https://marco.org/2020/09/11/app-review-changes https://marco.org/2020/09/11/app-review-changes
- cwilkes 6y agoHow much of a cut do they give to the gym?
- biztos 6y agoAt my gym, nothing, but that’s probably not typical.
- ianai 6y agoAgreed. Going for popular third party apps like that can and probably has to lead to developers avoiding their platforms. It looks very uncompetitive.
- clairity 6y agoi just watched the fitness+ segment. it was so targeted at upper/upper-middle class (white) people, it wasn't even funny (despite, as always, featuring a fair diversity of people). most americans simply don't have the time and mental space to carve out big chunks of time (not to mention living space) to devote $10/mo and a commitment to multiple apple devices that it requires. it's myopic, to say the least. even though i like and almost exclusively use apple computing devices, i feel apple has jumped the shark as a lifestyle brand. the whole thing feels so fake and overproduced (reiterating this, as it's not the first time feeling this way). the tech and products are still interesting; the marketing and the branding are increasingly not. fitness+ was a definite turn-off for me.
- danielscrubs 6y agoAs an upper-middle class white dude, no it wasnt for us. Maybe upper class black girls can take it?
- remir 6y agoiPhones are still selling very well. The Apple Watch has been a massive success. People subscribe to various services. Apple identified that people owning a Watch for fitness reasons may also be interested in a fitness subscription integrated with their Watch. In a pandemic, the demand for such service may be higher. End of story. I don't see what the problem is, honestly.
- petr_tik 6y agoI watched it too and I failed to see how the whiteness of those people was relevant. I can understand how skin pigmentation may correlate with income in the US, but that’s an American problem not a property of the skin colour that Apple are not required to solve
- georgespencer 6y agoI believe OP is talking about class, not race, and is making the same orthogonal observation as you that race is tied up in class to some extent. But tbh that makes it a strange point to my eye: Apple remains a luxury consumer goods and services manufacturer, it should not be a surprise that they target the upper/middle classes.
- vaxman 6y agoOne word: Woz Two words: Pear Shaped (Young/foreign moderators won’t get it and downvote..it’s like a double entendre do love this site.)
- vaxman 6y agoI put the note in about being downvoted before I tapped Submit for the first time. It was a backhanded insult against Hacker News —whatever it is, it isn’t about hackers...more like people who dream about being hackers..or guys making too much money bein’ told they’re hackers (and trying to wear size 14 shoes to watch the Warriors roflmao) Hey at least they’re physically fit!