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>Is Apple going to pull a Fortnite and kick exercise apps off next for "duplicating core Apple products"? That's not what Fortnite got kicked out for, and I th

>Is Apple going to pull a Fortnite and kick exercise apps off next for "duplicating core Apple products"? That's not what Fortnite got kicked out for, and I think it is unfair to pretend otherwise. Also, they didn't kick out Spotify or other music streaming services after introducing Apple Music, so I don't see that happening here either.

king_magic 6y ago
Yes, I know that’s not explicitly what Fortnite was kicked off for. But let’s be honest here and look at Apple’s long history of anticompetitive behavior - that’s the core concern here, and Apple has shown a clear willingness to disadvantage 3rd party competitors. Sure, Spotify is on the App Store - but when will I be able to download music and play it directly from my Watch with Spotify? Likely never - Apple simply will not allow that, while hypocritically allowing it with Apple Music. So let’s not pretend - Apple cares about Apple first and second, and everyone else third.
- rp1229 6y ago
  I'm pretty sure the Spotify limitation is due to Spotify and not Apple. Other apps like overcast can download to audio to the watch and play without a phone.
  - king_magic 6y ago
    To be clear - I'm talking about playing audio in the background, like Apple Music. That, as far as I know, has never been made available to third party app developers. And even if Apple has finally allowed Spotify the Great Privledge of joining Apple on it's playing field, it would have taken multiple years of complaints and hypocrisy from Apple to get there.
- pgm8705 6y ago
  I believe Apple has made the APIs available for downloading and streaming from Watch apps. Pandora and other's use it. Spotify is the one refusing to bring this functionality to their app for whatever reason.
  - king_magic 6y ago
    How generous of them - and goodness, it only took Apple several years of dragging their feet, hypocrisy and anti-competitive behavior for them to finally grace us all with those precious APIs. How thankful we all should be.
- c16a 6y ago
  The watch thing is just Spotify not working on it anymore. They're focusing on their iPhone app and it's their decision. Pandora has a Watch app and the APIs allowed them to background play since Day 1. Apple TV+ came much after Netflix and Prime Video. Are you saying Apple harmed them post TV+ release? Messages, Music, Calendar etc, all have their own counterparts and I don't recall any history of Apple hurting them!
damnyou 6y ago
There's a big gap between kicking out and being on a level playing field, and Apple Music and Spotify certainly are not on a level playing field.

king_magic 6y ago

Yes, I know that’s not explicitly what Fortnite was kicked off for. But let’s be honest here and look at Apple’s long history of anticompetitive behavior - that’s the core concern here, and Apple has shown a clear willingness to disadvantage 3rd party competitors. Sure, Spotify is on the App Store - but when will I be able to download music and play it directly from my Watch with Spotify? Likely never - Apple simply will not allow that, while hypocritically allowing it with Apple Music. So let’s not pretend - Apple cares about Apple first and second, and everyone else third.

rp1229 6y ago
I'm pretty sure the Spotify limitation is due to Spotify and not Apple. Other apps like overcast can download to audio to the watch and play without a phone.
- king_magic 6y ago
  To be clear - I'm talking about playing audio in the background, like Apple Music. That, as far as I know, has never been made available to third party app developers. And even if Apple has finally allowed Spotify the Great Privledge of joining Apple on it's playing field, it would have taken multiple years of complaints and hypocrisy from Apple to get there.
pgm8705 6y ago
I believe Apple has made the APIs available for downloading and streaming from Watch apps. Pandora and other's use it. Spotify is the one refusing to bring this functionality to their app for whatever reason.
- king_magic 6y ago
  How generous of them - and goodness, it only took Apple several years of dragging their feet, hypocrisy and anti-competitive behavior for them to finally grace us all with those precious APIs. How thankful we all should be.
c16a 6y ago
The watch thing is just Spotify not working on it anymore. They're focusing on their iPhone app and it's their decision. Pandora has a Watch app and the APIs allowed them to background play since Day 1. Apple TV+ came much after Netflix and Prime Video. Are you saying Apple harmed them post TV+ release? Messages, Music, Calendar etc, all have their own counterparts and I don't recall any history of Apple hurting them!

damnyou 6y ago

There's a big gap between kicking out and being on a level playing field, and Apple Music and Spotify certainly are not on a level playing field.