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I think Apple Fitness+ will be fine as a standalone product, but I believe this is a stepping off point for more fully fledged fitness products from Apple. Usi

by sna1l 6y ago

I think Apple Fitness+ will be fine as a standalone product, but I believe this is a stepping off point for more fully fledged fitness products from Apple. Using their AR technology (iPad/iPhone/etc), they can replicate a lot of the same functionality a multi-thousand dollar product like the Tempo provides. They can automatically correct form, recognize weights, etc.

shadowoflight 6y ago
If Apple did this for home workouts I would subscribe to Fitness+ in a heartbeat. I currently practice yoga at home, and the worst part is I don't have an instructor to correct my form.
- coolioxlr 6y ago
  Check out Mixpose https://mixpose.com/ https://mixpose.com/ . It's a livestream yoga app on iOS,Android and Web with 3+ live classes a day. Since it's live the instructor can correct your form when you have hard time doing it. Eventually we are going to turn on the AI pose tracking. Disclaimer: I am the co-founder so let me know if you have any question.
  - shadowoflight 6y ago
    Your service looks pretty cool, but there are a few things preventing me from using it: 1) Not having a live instructor is both a blessing and a curse, but largely a blessing for us introverts - I'm not comfortable with somebody watching me work out. But maybe I'll give Mixpose a shot when the AI option is released and has had time to mature. 2. I can't personally justify the high cost of the Mixpose service - an actual gym membership is around the same price (and that includes a couple of 1-on-1 personal trainer sessions each month), and my current yoga app (without feedback, admittedly) is $20 per year. In direct comparison to Apple Fitness+, I can sign my wife and myself up for the new Apple One Premiere bundle for $30/mo and get music streaming, news, 2TB of storage, and other goodies on top of Fitness+. 3. If the rumors of Fitness+ utilizing iPhone camera and Watch sensor information simultaneously are true, I feel other AI form-correction solutions won't stand a chance - but I'd be happy to be disproved on that front!
    - coolioxlr 6y ago
      Great feedback. We are not in the VOD business since it's just too competitive and there are a lot of great free contents on Youtube already. Fitness+ is only using Apple Watch.
      - shadowoflight 6y ago
        Yeah, probably a good call to not try to compete in the fitness VOD sphere, it seems to be a very quick race to the bottom. For the record, I do think your offering is a good and innovative solution to the issue of wanting to workout in the comfort of your own home but also wanting in-person classes and personalized training - I just don't think it's for me, personally. > Fitness+ is only using Apple Watch. While this is currently true, my original comment was stating that Fitness+ would be worth it to me, for $10/mo, if Apple were to make an integrated movement tracking system using multiple devices, as the comment I replied to posted.
    - kmonsen 6y ago
      What is the pricing? It seems to all be free on the webpage.
      - shadowoflight 6y ago
        I'm unsure what the pricing scheme is if you purchase through the Mixpose website or Android app, but it's $20/mo or $200/yr through iOS in-app purchase.
      - coolioxlr 6y ago
        75% percent of the classes are free now. On the web is all free now but we plan to turn on the subscription soon and will add more live classes soon.
- wellthisisgreat 6y ago
  You can try https://yoganotch.com https://yoganotch.com - uses motion sensors to give feedback on yoga form
  - coolioxlr 6y ago
    Cool product if it really works. But too much work and friction to put on the sensors if I want to quickly do a workout.
  - rocketina 6y ago
    cool design! + I don't need to film myself while doing yoga. what is the accuracy?
    - yoganotch 6y ago
      Thank you! I am one of the founders, the accuracy will vary depending on how the person is wearing it, but regardless it will be well within clinically acceptable values for something like physiotherapy or rehab. Yoganotch itself is new (2020) but we've been building these devices for a few years - have a number of peer reviewed papers published based on Notch (https://wearnotch.com/papers https://wearnotch.com/papers).
      - shadowoflight 6y ago
        This looks like a very interesting solution! Is there a subscription fee for the YogaNotch app, as well, or is it just the one-time sensor purchase?
        yoganotch 6y ago
        No, there is no subscription :)
  - audrey21emu 6y ago
    Actually it takes a minute to put four sensors on and calibrate your posture before class. I’ve used it since my gym shut down in March, and do not plan to return there any time soon. This sensor kit with the free app with cool classes totally transformed my practice with respect to the depth, focus and effectiveness. Imagine having a private teacher who is paying attention to you, measuring your posture in Asana, gives you immediate feedback and praises you when you do it right... and it costs a fraction of $ you would pay for your private session. None of the big fitness brands come even close to this technologically. It’s a future of home yoga practice whether some may resist “invasion” of tech in yoga or not.
- ascagnel_ 6y ago
  This seems like a good use for AR -- Epic was showing off an app a few weeks ago where Unreal Engine devs could use the front-facing cameras on iDevices to capture skeletal animations, and I could see a fitness app using this tech to detect bone positions and provide guidance.
- rosywoozlechan 6y ago
  Everyone is different, and there's not going to be an automated way to fix your movement and training form unless the app can ask you questions as it walks around you to look at you from all sides. Generic form guide for a heavy squat could lead to injuries. Our bodies are too varied for this to be feasible at the moment.
  - shadowoflight 6y ago
    I could see a combination of iPhone cameras and sensors + Apple Watch sensors offering a fairly good picture for an AI program to base form critique off.
  - coolioxlr 6y ago
    Totally agreed. There are too many problem of using computer vision. Camera angle, lightening and even the cloth you wear will make the differences. End of day people just want to do workout instead of finicking with technology.
lalo2302 6y ago
Don't you think is coming? Baby steps. First they'll launch and polish the trainings and sort the experience, then they add shit tons of tech there. Think on the Nike's kinect game. Or Wii Fit, but 10 years later with a whole ecosystem behind it. One of the most exciting services in a long time
- reaperducer 6y ago
  Don't you think is coming? I think he does. That's why he stated, "I believe this is a stepping off point for more fully fledged fitness products from Apple."
- elliekelly 6y ago
  I wonder what that means for companies like Peloton. I can imagine an Apple Watch and a small "smart" bike trainer[1] would be infinitely more practical and affordable for most people and still allow Apple users to track all of the same metrics as Peloton. [1] Something like this, but with an odometer and WiFi: https://www.amazon.com/Goplus-Exercise-Trainers-Flywheel-Stationary/dp/B088PKDTPV https://www.amazon.com/Goplus-Exercise-Trainers-Flywheel-Sta...
  - epicureanideal 6y ago
    They could just buy Peloton. "Apple Peloton".
    - dylan604 6y ago
      Or just Apple Bike+
      - bredren 6y ago
        This seems more likely to me. Apple would want to design their stationary bike from The ground up w their bicycle experts. (They may already have done this a few times) Also, letting Peloton do it’s thing is a small safety valve on the anti competitive question.
saos 6y ago
Should check out Gymaholic iPhone app. Really good use of AR and overall nice experience. https://apps.apple.com/gb/app/gymaholic-workout-tracker/id648518560 https://apps.apple.com/gb/app/gymaholic-workout-tracker/id64...
- buzzerbetrayed 6y ago
  I love Gymaholic, but I don't understand how the AR is useful at all. How is it better for me to watch a 3D model do an exercise with my couch as the background, rather than just a black background? Is it the ability to walk around the 3D model? It's much easier just to spin the model with my thumb. That is how I feel about most AR is in general. It just filters out the app background and makes whatever your camera is pointing at the background.. without really adding any value. I'm sure AR will have some absolutely amazing applications in the future. I just haven't seen much of it yet.
  - saos 6y ago
    Yeah I like walking around the model aha. I wouldn’t be surprised if Gymaholic got bought out. It’s too good.

by sna1l 6y ago

shadowoflight 6y ago

If Apple did this for home workouts I would subscribe to Fitness+ in a heartbeat. I currently practice yoga at home, and the worst part is I don't have an instructor to correct my form.

coolioxlr 6y ago
Check out Mixpose https://mixpose.com/ https://mixpose.com/ . It's a livestream yoga app on iOS,Android and Web with 3+ live classes a day. Since it's live the instructor can correct your form when you have hard time doing it. Eventually we are going to turn on the AI pose tracking. Disclaimer: I am the co-founder so let me know if you have any question.
- shadowoflight 6y ago
  Your service looks pretty cool, but there are a few things preventing me from using it: 1) Not having a live instructor is both a blessing and a curse, but largely a blessing for us introverts - I'm not comfortable with somebody watching me work out. But maybe I'll give Mixpose a shot when the AI option is released and has had time to mature. 2. I can't personally justify the high cost of the Mixpose service - an actual gym membership is around the same price (and that includes a couple of 1-on-1 personal trainer sessions each month), and my current yoga app (without feedback, admittedly) is $20 per year. In direct comparison to Apple Fitness+, I can sign my wife and myself up for the new Apple One Premiere bundle for $30/mo and get music streaming, news, 2TB of storage, and other goodies on top of Fitness+. 3. If the rumors of Fitness+ utilizing iPhone camera and Watch sensor information simultaneously are true, I feel other AI form-correction solutions won't stand a chance - but I'd be happy to be disproved on that front!
  - coolioxlr 6y ago
    Great feedback. We are not in the VOD business since it's just too competitive and there are a lot of great free contents on Youtube already. Fitness+ is only using Apple Watch.
    - shadowoflight 6y ago
      Yeah, probably a good call to not try to compete in the fitness VOD sphere, it seems to be a very quick race to the bottom. For the record, I do think your offering is a good and innovative solution to the issue of wanting to workout in the comfort of your own home but also wanting in-person classes and personalized training - I just don't think it's for me, personally. > Fitness+ is only using Apple Watch. While this is currently true, my original comment was stating that Fitness+ would be worth it to me, for $10/mo, if Apple were to make an integrated movement tracking system using multiple devices, as the comment I replied to posted.
  - kmonsen 6y ago
    What is the pricing? It seems to all be free on the webpage.
    - shadowoflight 6y ago
      I'm unsure what the pricing scheme is if you purchase through the Mixpose website or Android app, but it's $20/mo or $200/yr through iOS in-app purchase.
    - coolioxlr 6y ago
      75% percent of the classes are free now. On the web is all free now but we plan to turn on the subscription soon and will add more live classes soon.
wellthisisgreat 6y ago
You can try https://yoganotch.com https://yoganotch.com - uses motion sensors to give feedback on yoga form
- coolioxlr 6y ago
  Cool product if it really works. But too much work and friction to put on the sensors if I want to quickly do a workout.
- rocketina 6y ago
  cool design! + I don't need to film myself while doing yoga. what is the accuracy?
  - yoganotch 6y ago
    Thank you! I am one of the founders, the accuracy will vary depending on how the person is wearing it, but regardless it will be well within clinically acceptable values for something like physiotherapy or rehab. Yoganotch itself is new (2020) but we've been building these devices for a few years - have a number of peer reviewed papers published based on Notch (https://wearnotch.com/papers https://wearnotch.com/papers).
    - shadowoflight 6y ago
      This looks like a very interesting solution! Is there a subscription fee for the YogaNotch app, as well, or is it just the one-time sensor purchase?
      - yoganotch 6y ago
        No, there is no subscription :)
- audrey21emu 6y ago
  Actually it takes a minute to put four sensors on and calibrate your posture before class. I’ve used it since my gym shut down in March, and do not plan to return there any time soon. This sensor kit with the free app with cool classes totally transformed my practice with respect to the depth, focus and effectiveness. Imagine having a private teacher who is paying attention to you, measuring your posture in Asana, gives you immediate feedback and praises you when you do it right... and it costs a fraction of $ you would pay for your private session. None of the big fitness brands come even close to this technologically. It’s a future of home yoga practice whether some may resist “invasion” of tech in yoga or not.
ascagnel_ 6y ago
This seems like a good use for AR -- Epic was showing off an app a few weeks ago where Unreal Engine devs could use the front-facing cameras on iDevices to capture skeletal animations, and I could see a fitness app using this tech to detect bone positions and provide guidance.
rosywoozlechan 6y ago
Everyone is different, and there's not going to be an automated way to fix your movement and training form unless the app can ask you questions as it walks around you to look at you from all sides. Generic form guide for a heavy squat could lead to injuries. Our bodies are too varied for this to be feasible at the moment.
- shadowoflight 6y ago
  I could see a combination of iPhone cameras and sensors + Apple Watch sensors offering a fairly good picture for an AI program to base form critique off.
- coolioxlr 6y ago
  Totally agreed. There are too many problem of using computer vision. Camera angle, lightening and even the cloth you wear will make the differences. End of day people just want to do workout instead of finicking with technology.

lalo2302 6y ago

Don't you think is coming? Baby steps. First they'll launch and polish the trainings and sort the experience, then they add shit tons of tech there. Think on the Nike's kinect game. Or Wii Fit, but 10 years later with a whole ecosystem behind it. One of the most exciting services in a long time

reaperducer 6y ago
Don't you think is coming? I think he does. That's why he stated, "I believe this is a stepping off point for more fully fledged fitness products from Apple."
elliekelly 6y ago
I wonder what that means for companies like Peloton. I can imagine an Apple Watch and a small "smart" bike trainer[1] would be infinitely more practical and affordable for most people and still allow Apple users to track all of the same metrics as Peloton. [1] Something like this, but with an odometer and WiFi: https://www.amazon.com/Goplus-Exercise-Trainers-Flywheel-Stationary/dp/B088PKDTPV https://www.amazon.com/Goplus-Exercise-Trainers-Flywheel-Sta...
- epicureanideal 6y ago
  They could just buy Peloton. "Apple Peloton".
  - dylan604 6y ago
    Or just Apple Bike+
    - bredren 6y ago
      This seems more likely to me. Apple would want to design their stationary bike from The ground up w their bicycle experts. (They may already have done this a few times) Also, letting Peloton do it’s thing is a small safety valve on the anti competitive question.

saos 6y ago

Should check out Gymaholic iPhone app. Really good use of AR and overall nice experience. https://apps.apple.com/gb/app/gymaholic-workout-tracker/id648518560 https://apps.apple.com/gb/app/gymaholic-workout-tracker/id64...

buzzerbetrayed 6y ago
I love Gymaholic, but I don't understand how the AR is useful at all. How is it better for me to watch a 3D model do an exercise with my couch as the background, rather than just a black background? Is it the ability to walk around the 3D model? It's much easier just to spin the model with my thumb. That is how I feel about most AR is in general. It just filters out the app background and makes whatever your camera is pointing at the background.. without really adding any value. I'm sure AR will have some absolutely amazing applications in the future. I just haven't seen much of it yet.
- saos 6y ago
  Yeah I like walking around the model aha. I wouldn’t be surprised if Gymaholic got bought out. It’s too good.