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I don't know if Google can compete with them on this. I subscribe to Google One (excellent live customer service), YouTube Premium, YouTube TV. All services I t

by pgrote 6y ago

I don't know if Google can compete with them on this. I subscribe to Google One (excellent live customer service), YouTube Premium, YouTube TV. All services I think are good values. With apple coming out with this I am left shaking my head. * Used to subscribe to google play music, but grew confused by where they were headed and moved over to amazon music. Never tried stadia after the slow rollouts of games after it went live.

pavanky 6y ago
It is worth it just for the amount of Youtube I watch. May be other people are OK with the ads, but I am not. I bought the youtube premium subscription 4-5 years ago (even before it was a bundle) and am not disappointed. I still have other subscriptions too (spotify, hbo, etc). I dont see them as competing with each other.
- awa 6y ago
  Is there a reason to use spotify instead of youtube music?
  - elldoubleyew 6y ago
    I ask myself this a lot as someone who pays for both Spotify and Youtube Premium (which includes Youtube Music). Youtube music has all of the music ever posted on youtube which is nice because it means you can generally find almost anything there (even obscure stuff not on Spotify). Unfortunately this can also make it harder to find what you are looking for, youtube music is full of low quality user submitted covers/remixes of songs that I don't want to hear but sometimes it plays anyways. Sometimes youtube music will have versions of songs that were really meant to accompany a music video and not the standalone song itself which is annoying to say the least. The app is also far less capable as a standalone music app. Never has any lyrics, this weird concept of switching between video and audio, hard to view all fo the work of a particular artist/group on one page, no continuity between mobile and desktop a la Spotify. The hand curated playlists are also updated less than the ones on Spotify. Interestingly the machine generated recommendations from Spotify have also always been much better than that of Youtube Music, which is strange given how good Youtubes video recommendation algorithm has gotten in recent years. On top of all of this I have been using Spotify since 2013; I have a massive amount of music in my library there that I have no way of porting over to Youtube Music.
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  - pavanky 6y ago
    The last time I checked Youtube music was terrible and didnt handle playlists well. I was on Google play (bundled with youtube premium) for the longest time and then when they stopped support for Google music in favor of youtube music, I wanted to give spotify a try. Now that you mentioned it I looked at youtube music again and it looks much better. I might want to try it out and cancel spotify (although I dont know if my wife would come away from spotify).
- amoshi 6y ago
  Barely anyone is OK with the ads, people just use uBlock in their browser and YouTube Vanced on their android phones. Or suffer, if they're not tech-inclined.
  - pavanky 6y ago
    I use uBlock on my laptop. At some point 90% of my youtube watching moved to TV. Yes I could have built a pi-hole or something. But for $10/month (which it was back then) I was totally fine paying for it.
    - Zenbit_UX 6y ago
      Don't bother with pihole, too much work and setup. Get nextdns and update your home routers DNS to point to there's and voilà a pihole in the cloud!
josteink 6y ago
> I don't know if Google can compete with them on this. I subscribe to Google One (excellent live customer service), YouTube Premium Oh come on. There’s nothing unique on Apple Music. Apple TV+ is a joke with absolutely zero content worth staying for. So effectively that’s $15 for a me-too music-service and nothing else of interest. Google has YouTube music ... and ad-free YouTube where tons of new content is published every single day, from a global pool of creative, independent creators. For $12, that is, for less. In this particular case, why on earth would I prefer Apple’s offering over Google’s?
ghaff 6y ago
>YouTube TV. All services I think are good values. It really depends how much non-streaming TV you watch. I dropped cable TV (and landline) a while back. They didn't have zero value but certainly not $120/month value. I'd like to get live TV every now and then, e.g. for the odd sports game. But all the services, including YouTube TV, are pretty expensive for occasional use. Less than from the cable company but way more than any other content service I subscribe to.
- cwhiz 6y ago
  YouTube TV used to be $35/month but they kept adding content that I don’t want and cranking the price up. Now it’s $65/month. I find Sling to be the best value now. YouTube TV turned into cable.
  - ghaff 6y ago
    One of the reasons Sling is cheaper though is that it doesn't carry local channels and I can't get anything over the air because of where I live. I agree with your general point. The streaming bundles are pretty much the same as cable TV bundles. So you either subscribe to a la carte very selectively or do without. I'd probably pay $30/month for a full cable bundle but not $65.
    - cwhiz 6y ago
      I can see the local channels being a deal breaker if you otherwise can’t get them. They have a solution for most people, through AirTV, which I quite like. I have the “AirTV Anywhere” and it’s pretty nifty.
xnx 6y ago
I am also a Google One subscriber. (I think I got grandfathered in to some tier where I get 2TB storage for real cheap.) Google One would be a lot more compelling if it included Stadia, YouTube Red(?), Youtube TV, Youtube Music, Google Play Pass, Fitbit Premium, Nest Aware, etc. As is, Google One would more accurately be named "Google None", because it includes none of the things you would expect.
SllX 6y ago
If you have YouTube Premium you have YouTube Music. It’s interesting, not why I subscribed to Red/Premium, but it didn’t cause me to cancel Spotify.
- pgrote 6y ago
  I had no idea. https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/6308116?hl=en https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/6308116?hl=en Is this the replacement for google play music?
  - SllX 6y ago
    Basically. When I first signed up for Red/Premium it was actually as part of a Google Play Music All-Access whatchamajigger, no particular reason other than I got access to more stuff for the same price, and I was able to create a family plan before YouTube had them. I’m still not sure why Google couldn’t just focus their energy on one music service which seemed to be doing fine, but as far I was concerned it was a nice extra that at one point had a couple of albums I was having difficulty tracking down anywhere else. Maybe it’s a smaller scale version of their messenger ADHD. That said, their messaging was terrible, excuse me, is terrible. Google Play Music + Ad-free YouTube + YouTube Music with what is it? Six family members including the main account for $15/month was a pretty amazing deal. I launched YT Music a couple nights ago to play some music you can really only find on YouTube a couple nights ago and it prompted me to import the small amount of Google Play Music I had before they totally kill the service (or maybe they already have?).
    - judge2020 6y ago
      > (or maybe they already have?). See [0]: > YouTube Music will replace Google Play Music by December 2020. 0: https://blog.youtube/news-and-events/youtube-music-will-replace-google-play-music-end-2020/ https://blog.youtube/news-and-events/youtube-music-will-repl...

by pgrote 6y ago

pavanky 6y ago

It is worth it just for the amount of Youtube I watch. May be other people are OK with the ads, but I am not. I bought the youtube premium subscription 4-5 years ago (even before it was a bundle) and am not disappointed. I still have other subscriptions too (spotify, hbo, etc). I dont see them as competing with each other.

awa 6y ago
Is there a reason to use spotify instead of youtube music?
- elldoubleyew 6y ago
  I ask myself this a lot as someone who pays for both Spotify and Youtube Premium (which includes Youtube Music). Youtube music has all of the music ever posted on youtube which is nice because it means you can generally find almost anything there (even obscure stuff not on Spotify). Unfortunately this can also make it harder to find what you are looking for, youtube music is full of low quality user submitted covers/remixes of songs that I don't want to hear but sometimes it plays anyways. Sometimes youtube music will have versions of songs that were really meant to accompany a music video and not the standalone song itself which is annoying to say the least. The app is also far less capable as a standalone music app. Never has any lyrics, this weird concept of switching between video and audio, hard to view all fo the work of a particular artist/group on one page, no continuity between mobile and desktop a la Spotify. The hand curated playlists are also updated less than the ones on Spotify. Interestingly the machine generated recommendations from Spotify have also always been much better than that of Youtube Music, which is strange given how good Youtubes video recommendation algorithm has gotten in recent years. On top of all of this I have been using Spotify since 2013; I have a massive amount of music in my library there that I have no way of porting over to Youtube Music.
  - deleted 6y ago
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- pavanky 6y ago
  The last time I checked Youtube music was terrible and didnt handle playlists well. I was on Google play (bundled with youtube premium) for the longest time and then when they stopped support for Google music in favor of youtube music, I wanted to give spotify a try. Now that you mentioned it I looked at youtube music again and it looks much better. I might want to try it out and cancel spotify (although I dont know if my wife would come away from spotify).
amoshi 6y ago
Barely anyone is OK with the ads, people just use uBlock in their browser and YouTube Vanced on their android phones. Or suffer, if they're not tech-inclined.
- pavanky 6y ago
  I use uBlock on my laptop. At some point 90% of my youtube watching moved to TV. Yes I could have built a pi-hole or something. But for $10/month (which it was back then) I was totally fine paying for it.
  - Zenbit_UX 6y ago
    Don't bother with pihole, too much work and setup. Get nextdns and update your home routers DNS to point to there's and voilà a pihole in the cloud!

josteink 6y ago

> I don't know if Google can compete with them on this. I subscribe to Google One (excellent live customer service), YouTube Premium Oh come on. There’s nothing unique on Apple Music. Apple TV+ is a joke with absolutely zero content worth staying for. So effectively that’s $15 for a me-too music-service and nothing else of interest. Google has YouTube music ... and ad-free YouTube where tons of new content is published every single day, from a global pool of creative, independent creators. For $12, that is, for less. In this particular case, why on earth would I prefer Apple’s offering over Google’s?

ghaff 6y ago

>YouTube TV. All services I think are good values. It really depends how much non-streaming TV you watch. I dropped cable TV (and landline) a while back. They didn't have zero value but certainly not $120/month value. I'd like to get live TV every now and then, e.g. for the odd sports game. But all the services, including YouTube TV, are pretty expensive for occasional use. Less than from the cable company but way more than any other content service I subscribe to.

cwhiz 6y ago
YouTube TV used to be $35/month but they kept adding content that I don’t want and cranking the price up. Now it’s $65/month. I find Sling to be the best value now. YouTube TV turned into cable.
- ghaff 6y ago
  One of the reasons Sling is cheaper though is that it doesn't carry local channels and I can't get anything over the air because of where I live. I agree with your general point. The streaming bundles are pretty much the same as cable TV bundles. So you either subscribe to a la carte very selectively or do without. I'd probably pay $30/month for a full cable bundle but not $65.
  - cwhiz 6y ago
    I can see the local channels being a deal breaker if you otherwise can’t get them. They have a solution for most people, through AirTV, which I quite like. I have the “AirTV Anywhere” and it’s pretty nifty.

xnx 6y ago

I am also a Google One subscriber. (I think I got grandfathered in to some tier where I get 2TB storage for real cheap.) Google One would be a lot more compelling if it included Stadia, YouTube Red(?), Youtube TV, Youtube Music, Google Play Pass, Fitbit Premium, Nest Aware, etc. As is, Google One would more accurately be named "Google None", because it includes none of the things you would expect.

SllX 6y ago

If you have YouTube Premium you have YouTube Music. It’s interesting, not why I subscribed to Red/Premium, but it didn’t cause me to cancel Spotify.

pgrote 6y ago
I had no idea. https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/6308116?hl=en https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/6308116?hl=en Is this the replacement for google play music?
- SllX 6y ago
  Basically. When I first signed up for Red/Premium it was actually as part of a Google Play Music All-Access whatchamajigger, no particular reason other than I got access to more stuff for the same price, and I was able to create a family plan before YouTube had them. I’m still not sure why Google couldn’t just focus their energy on one music service which seemed to be doing fine, but as far I was concerned it was a nice extra that at one point had a couple of albums I was having difficulty tracking down anywhere else. Maybe it’s a smaller scale version of their messenger ADHD. That said, their messaging was terrible, excuse me, is terrible. Google Play Music + Ad-free YouTube + YouTube Music with what is it? Six family members including the main account for $15/month was a pretty amazing deal. I launched YT Music a couple nights ago to play some music you can really only find on YouTube a couple nights ago and it prompted me to import the small amount of Google Play Music I had before they totally kill the service (or maybe they already have?).
  - judge2020 6y ago
    > (or maybe they already have?). See [0]: > YouTube Music will replace Google Play Music by December 2020. 0: https://blog.youtube/news-and-events/youtube-music-will-replace-google-play-music-end-2020/ https://blog.youtube/news-and-events/youtube-music-will-repl...