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Apple Event 2020
- mercer 6y agoSay what you will about the Apple spaceship campus, that was a pretty photogenic appearance it made.
- extremeMath 6y agoSomething unrelated to product quality and entirely appearance in an Apple thread, color me surprised.
- mercer 6y agoA snarky comment regurgitating tired old tropes, color me surprised.
- Terretta 6y agoNeither one of those slams is as irrelevant as you suggest. Apple’s ethos product managed that HQ, and it’s very much not just about appearance. It’s the DNA, still highly relevant to an Apple launch thread.
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- ilikehurdles 6y agoCool, a blood oxygen sensor. What a revolutionary new sensor that Garmin watches have had for only 3 years now.
- spike021 6y agoI hope for the day there's no more "they were doing this X time ago!" comparisons.
- msie 6y agoOne day we'll make custom watch faces...
- WorldPeas 6y agowhy? because they make a company that falsely claim they're innovating look bad?
- spike021 6y agoBecause it's a useless comment to make. I'd say the same of Android or Fitbit if they added a feature the other already had. It's just unnecessary. The people who want or have one or the other won't care that another watch already had it if their chosen watch is adding the feature.
- canadianwriter 6y agoBasically none of the technology Apple showed off in the original iPhone release was 100% brand new that no one else had, they just put it all together in a way that had never been done before. Garmin has that, but does it integrate the same way?
- JaakkoP 6y agoThey came up with a new Apple Watch (Series 6) that measures blood oxygen content! If that actually works as advertised, this feels like enough of a reason to upgrade. My wife has Series 3 and I have Series 5, but I haven't seen a major difference between the two. Series 5 is slightly sleeker and smaller, but the updates didn't feel important enough for her to upgrade.
- reillyse 6y agoThey've got to fix the battery life. I tried the apple watch earlier this year and returned it a couple of days later. After using a whoop (where I get 5 days of battery) the less than one day charge makes the product pointless.
- enlyth 6y agoThis is true, I've started wearing it with a dead battery, and charge it only when going out.
- skibble 6y agoMy S4 easily lasts the best part of two days. Perhaps you had a software glitch?
- r00fus 6y agoS5 has worse battery life due to always-on display. Presumably if you toggle that, your battery life is much better.
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- DonaldPShimoda 6y agoHuh. I've got a Series 2 that still lasts nearly 2 days on a single charge. I know sometimes something in the software update can glitch and cause aggressive battery consumption. I wonder if you were affected by something like that (which is something they should address to prevent from happening in the future).
- skunkworker 6y agoI'm curious how they can get an accurate blood oxygen reading while not having a sensor on the bottom of the wrist. If I recall correctly a finger pulse oximeter requires a sensor below the finger which records the absorption of infrared light.
- netcraft 6y agoI believe they must be doing something slightly different than a normal plus oximeter because of that - and also it takes 15 seconds to get a reading.
- hnburnsy 6y agoSome Garmin watches already have this, Garmin says... >Accuracy of Wrist-based Pulse Ox Pulse Oximetry (Pulse Ox) readings are available for certain Garmin wearables. It can provide an estimation of the user’s peripheral blood oxygen saturation (SpO2%) at any given time the feature is accessed. The feature can also be set to track in a continuous manner during a period while the user is asleep. For certain devices, it can also be used to track periodically throughout the day along with a view of the user’s altitude or elevation. While every effort is made to ensure a high degree of accuracy, there are certain limitations that can cause inaccurate measurements. The user’s physical characteristics, fit of the device, and presence of ambient light may impact the readings. Garmin may release device software over time to improve aspects of the measurements. The Pulse Ox data is not intended to be used for medical purposes, nor is it intended to diagnose, treat, cure or prevent any disease or condition. Excessive motion and the position of the device can impact the accuracy of the readings. It is important to keep your arm/sensor still for approximately one minute for best accuracy.
- barbegal 6y agoThis does work best but the sensor and light source can be on the same side of the skin using light reflected from within. This probably requires more separation between light source and sensor and some clever algorithms to handle different skin tones and ways of wearing the watch.
- orloffm 6y agoGarmin watches require you to be really still when measuring "Pulse Ox". That's why they automatically do it only during sleep.
- krrishd 6y agoNot to be too cynical, but is this Apple watch "solo loop" coming in a bunch of fixed sizes a means by which they reduce/minimize the ability to buy/sell used Apple Watches? Or at their scale does it not really make a difference? EDIT: nvm lol, forgot that you can just swap out the loops still
- rhinoceraptor 6y agoThe silicone material they use tends to get beat up enough after a year or two that you'd probably want to replace it anyways if you buy a used watch.
- krrishd 6y agogood point
- mercer 6y agoI imagine it's possible to buy a used Apple Watch and replace the 'solo loop', or did I misunderstand the presentation?
- GiorgioG 6y agoApple Watch Series 6...totally uninspired update. I was hoping we might get a glucose monitor/sensor, instead we get a blood oxygen sensor. Apple's just coasting at this point. I was considering getting the iPhone 12, but at this point I'm expecting a similar dud launch next month from Apple, so I'd rather give my money to Nvidia for an RTX 3080. Stop mailing it in Apple.
- innagadadavida 6y agoAt this time at least, measuring blood oxygen has more consumer demand and impact than measuring glucose.
- mrkstu 6y agoMore than 100 million Americans have diabetes or pre-diabetes. Numbers are huge and more importantly the feature (glucose monitoring) is much more critical to their health.
- cycrutchfield 6y agoCoasting all the way to massive sales
- atonse 6y agoLike Microsoft under Ballmer right?
- cycrutchfield 6y agoI dunno, let me check their stock price and see if wall st agrees with you.
- mrkstu 6y agoI was hoping for the same, but considering the regulatory and health issues for not getting it 100% right, I'll give Apple some credit for what its done rather than ding them for not yet being able to package in what hasn't been invented by anyone yet. I'm certain they're spending large amounts to make it happen, since they could easily double their sales once they roll out that feature.
- ocdtrekkie 6y agoHere's the only thing I'm really waiting for today... the Watch SE pricing. $279... gets it into "high quality Fitbit territory".
- mercer 6y agoWould you say that cheaper one is a bad option (series 3?)? I'm not too likely to get one any time soon, but the cheaper they get, the more I'm considering it.
- orloffm 6y agoIt simply has a smaller screen. The common annoying parts (not being always on, notifications about breathing/recording a walk etc.) are anyway more important than tiny performance differences.
- netcraft 6y agowith that, if they would let me hook it up to my ipad (I dont have an iphone) id buy it in a heartbeat
- mcny 6y agoI've been thinking about getting an iPad. However, I can't imagine paying extra for a cellular model Apple Watch. Would you be able to get emails, messages, calendar stuff on a Wi-Fi only Apple Watch paired only to an iPad when you don't have your iPad on you?
- netcraft 6y agohmm I guess thats a good point - I dont leave the house much so hadn't really considered that.
- r00fus 6y agoYou can get a Series 4 w/cellular on ebay for $289. If you're buying one for your kids (with Family Setup) that's the best in-price.
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- maxbaines 6y agoThis link crashes Edge on Windows Arm https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24483910 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24483910
- ganoushoreilly 6y agoremoving power adapter.. to save the environment. Also you have to buy it as an accessory for $30+ ....
- mrkstu 6y agoBasically a stealth price increase
- jpxw 6y agoSaving the environment by making me pay for the accessory separately and have it shipped in a different truck with extra packaging
- RulerOf 6y agoYeah. That presenter did a pretty good job of saying it with a straight face, too.
- DonaldPShimoda 6y agoIf I remember right, Apple Watch is the most popular smart watch on the market — meaning many people have had one already. Those people don't need a new adapter. It's like the iPhone: if I already have one, I don't need another adapter (lord knows I have enough of them). It's definitely not great for new customers though, and it absolutely should not be $30, but for people like me it's a positive move forward to reduce waste.
- ericmay 6y agoYea but you'll still have a cable. I'm sure you'll find some sort of USB device to plug it in to.
- tzs 6y agoI think the point is that it is 2020. Most people won't have to buy it. Power adapters that use a USB connector have been commonly included with a large fraction of consumer devices for at least a decade now. Most of us already have several that we aren't using. USB power adapters have also been by far the most common when people explicitly purchase a power adapter, such as when they want a higher wattage adapter to charge faster than the basic one that came with some device, or they want to replace a single port adapter with one with multiple ports to better utilize their outlets. Result: probably 95+% of consumers in the US who would buy an Apple device already have plenty of USB charging ports available.
- slg 6y agoIt is very Apple to market a cost cutting move of not including power adapters with their products as an environmental decision. Like it certainly does help the environment, but does anyone actually believe that is the motivating factor?
- nomel 6y agoI have a drawer full of power adapters. I do.
- DonaldPShimoda 6y agoThey've spent a lot of money aggressively pursuing environmental concerns before many of their competitors (like renewable power, carbon neutrality, recycling programs, etc.). While I can appreciate the reduction in cost likely was a factor, I wouldn't doubt that the environmental aspect was also a genuine concern. Their ideal customer is somebody who upgrades devices frequently and then participates in the trade-in programs, but the adapters and such are not part of those trade-ins. So if you get a new phone every year for 4 years, you have 4 adapters. It's not a far stretch to imagine that their own employees said "You know, this feels wasteful" and management said "Hmmm not only is it an environmental problem, but we could also reduce costs." But it's impossible to say for sure from an outside view.
- dkarp 6y agoStep 1 of reducing your environmental impact is reducing your consumption. If Apple really cared about the environment, then they wouldn't encourage a new phone every year when a phone can last for 4 years. Reduce, reuse and recycle.
- mercer 6y agoI think nobody getting a high-end phone can argue in any way that they're environmentally conscious, at least in that area of their life.
- jasonv 6y agoDo they encourage people to buy a new phone every year? I don't think most people get a new phone every year, hence the "is this worth the upgrade?" Conventionally speaking, most tech reviewers tend to suggest that the latest model usually isn't worth the upgrade if you have the last model, and only in some cases is it a compelling upgrade from two releases ago. Release a new phone every year isn't the same thing as encouraging everyone to upgrade every year.
- suyash 6y agoWhat are the exact differences between Series 3 vs Series 6 ?
- DonaldPShimoda 6y agoOff the top of my head: always-on display, additional sensors (compass, blood oxygen, ECG, more advanced accelerometer for fall detection), higher resolution display, different speaker system I think, slightly different form factor, uhhh... that's all I've got immediately but I think there's a bit more.
- r00fus 6y agoBetter processor. Wife has series 3 and I have a 4 - the 4 is 50% faster. I wouldn't buy a series 3 as it's just a bit too slow.
- DonaldPShimoda 6y agoOh absolutely right, I dunno how I missed that!
- suyash 6y agowhat about altimeter?
- DonaldPShimoda 6y agoAnother good point! Like I said, I was just going off of what I could remember offhand. :)
- Traubenfuchs 6y agoMy screen has never displayed video of a higher quality. With instant load and zero lags. Stunning! Is this 60 FPS?
- apazzolini 6y agoThe real question the lady should have asked about what the watch can do is play songs from Spotify without your iPhone near you, like when you're running. Spoiler alert: You can't.
- mercer 6y agoUgh. Bad commercial. Apple deviating from their dystopian earnestness rarely works out. Federighi sort of pulls it off, and I suppose the old "I'm a mac" commercials managed.
- cycrutchfield 6y agoPretty sure that's Spotify's fault, not Apple.
- apazzolini 6y agoPretty sure Apple doesn't expose the correct APIs to allow this on the GPS model of the watch - at least that was the case when I last researched this.
- cycrutchfield 6y agoNot true as of Watch OS 6, I believe. I'm referring to streaming via cellular. Not sure about playing offline via non-cellular though, I haven't looked into that.
- apazzolini 6y agoI searched a bit - I think you're correct, and also offline support looks to be in beta in the Swedish version of Spotify, so maybe it's actually coming at some point.
- Izikiel43 6y agoI'm in Canada and I got a beta for wifi streaming from the watch, where did you find about the offline beta?
- Thaxll 6y agoSo will they talk about the feud with Epic and the app store?
- mercer 6y agoSure, why wouldn't they!?
- netcraft 6y agoGreat to see touch id in the button - sure hope that comes to iphone this year!
- mercer 6y agoWhy'd they have to put the tech people in the basement though?
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- mercer 6y agoUSB-C. 'bout time!
- WillYouFinish 6y agoAgree, but USB-C seems so fragile compared to Lightning.
- ihuman 6y agoAt least the fragile part is in the cable, so you can replace it if it breaks. Lightning has the fragile part in the phone.
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- shajznnckfke 6y agoI thought the fragile part of USB C was the thin part in the port than goes in between the two sides of the plug.
- dkarp 6y agois there no new iPhone then?
- Axsuul 6y agoThe rumor is October