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I'm assuming your question is rhetorical however I do want to ask you why you brought race into that discussion? Instead of asking "what do you consider to be

I'm assuming your question is rhetorical however I do want to ask you why you brought race into that discussion? Instead of asking "what do you consider to be a good neighbor" you instead phrase the question to try and make the poster look racist or at least bring that option into readers heads. Was there something in their post that made you believe they were racially motivated in their comments? If the goal of a discussion forum is to have discussions why would you go at someone assuming the worst without first having a discussion and understanding where they are coming from?

oarsinsync 6y ago
One of the first comments on the webpage linked is: > Stonelock biometric cameras have been installed in various residential buildings, in which tenants are forced to subject their faces to a technology proven to reproduce racial biases. Race is a topic of the discussion at hand. It was omitted by the GGP, possibly as the GGP doesn't consider that to be of consequence (as it may not be to them, depending on which side of the camera's bias they are). I don't read the GP's comment as attacking the GGP, so much as noting the omission.
throwaway0a5e 6y ago
>I'm assuming your question is rhetorical however I do want to ask you why you brought race into that discussion? Instead of asking "what do you consider to be a good neighbor" you instead phrase the question to try and make the poster look racist or at least bring that option into readers heads. I'm not gonna speak for GP but a lot of people are hair trigger about screaming racism because it's an easy way to reduce fundamentally complicated questions about standards and double standards of behavior based on economic class into a simple issue of good vs evil. There's really nothing fundamentally different about Kevin the yuppie changing the oil in his "classic" 2001 4Runner on the street but when you start talking about people like Cletus, Manuel and Jamal doing the same on domestic minivans of the 90s suddenly there's a problem. The fact that Kevin's bank account has more digits to the left of the decimal shouldn't matter but for some reason it does...
- leetcrew 6y ago
  > There's really nothing fundamentally different about Kevin the yuppie changing the oil in his "classic" 2001 4Runner on the street but when you start talking about people like Cletus, Manuel and Jamal doing the same on domestic minivans of the 90s suddenly there's a problem. The fact that Kevin's bank account has more digits to the left of the decimal shouldn't matter but for some reason it does... I mean, I don't see much of a problem in either case unless they're routinely obstructing the right of way or leaving a half-built vehicle to rust in the front lawn. sometimes seemingly small differences can change something from cool or at least acceptable to annoying. I used to live across the street from a guy with an immaculately maintained classic mustang. my nextdoor neighbors had a bunch of two-stroke dirtbikes that they would ride almost everyday. that mustang was incredibly loud, but it sounded awesome. the guy was really cool and would show me other exotic cars he was restoring all the time. the dirtbikes were not nearly as loud as the mustang, but they weren't interesting either, so I just found them annoying. despite the fact that they were basically doing the same thing, I'd way rather have the mustang guy as a neighbor than the dirtbike family.
8note 6y ago
The more interesting question is if the good neighbor selection process disadvantages black people. The poster's motivation isn't relevant to whether people are harmed by the results There's plenty of history of housing discrimination against black people, and it's not novel that ML can be racist. Unless somebody has sat down and asked "does this screening actually determine good neighbors, or just filter out black people?" It's probably going to be a racist algorithm

oarsinsync 6y ago

One of the first comments on the webpage linked is: > Stonelock biometric cameras have been installed in various residential buildings, in which tenants are forced to subject their faces to a technology proven to reproduce racial biases. Race is a topic of the discussion at hand. It was omitted by the GGP, possibly as the GGP doesn't consider that to be of consequence (as it may not be to them, depending on which side of the camera's bias they are). I don't read the GP's comment as attacking the GGP, so much as noting the omission.

throwaway0a5e 6y ago

>I'm assuming your question is rhetorical however I do want to ask you why you brought race into that discussion? Instead of asking "what do you consider to be a good neighbor" you instead phrase the question to try and make the poster look racist or at least bring that option into readers heads. I'm not gonna speak for GP but a lot of people are hair trigger about screaming racism because it's an easy way to reduce fundamentally complicated questions about standards and double standards of behavior based on economic class into a simple issue of good vs evil. There's really nothing fundamentally different about Kevin the yuppie changing the oil in his "classic" 2001 4Runner on the street but when you start talking about people like Cletus, Manuel and Jamal doing the same on domestic minivans of the 90s suddenly there's a problem. The fact that Kevin's bank account has more digits to the left of the decimal shouldn't matter but for some reason it does...

leetcrew 6y ago
> There's really nothing fundamentally different about Kevin the yuppie changing the oil in his "classic" 2001 4Runner on the street but when you start talking about people like Cletus, Manuel and Jamal doing the same on domestic minivans of the 90s suddenly there's a problem. The fact that Kevin's bank account has more digits to the left of the decimal shouldn't matter but for some reason it does... I mean, I don't see much of a problem in either case unless they're routinely obstructing the right of way or leaving a half-built vehicle to rust in the front lawn. sometimes seemingly small differences can change something from cool or at least acceptable to annoying. I used to live across the street from a guy with an immaculately maintained classic mustang. my nextdoor neighbors had a bunch of two-stroke dirtbikes that they would ride almost everyday. that mustang was incredibly loud, but it sounded awesome. the guy was really cool and would show me other exotic cars he was restoring all the time. the dirtbikes were not nearly as loud as the mustang, but they weren't interesting either, so I just found them annoying. despite the fact that they were basically doing the same thing, I'd way rather have the mustang guy as a neighbor than the dirtbike family.

8note 6y ago

The more interesting question is if the good neighbor selection process disadvantages black people. The poster's motivation isn't relevant to whether people are harmed by the results There's plenty of history of housing discrimination against black people, and it's not novel that ML can be racist. Unless somebody has sat down and asked "does this screening actually determine good neighbors, or just filter out black people?" It's probably going to be a racist algorithm