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it is a complex question. I do think that both journalists and whistleblowers should have certain protections in a free society. However, I can't shake the fe

by kace91 6y ago

it is a complex question. I do think that both journalists and whistleblowers should have certain protections in a free society. However, I can't shake the feeling that wikileaks exploits the hunger for justice of honest-minded whistleblowers as a front for information gathering, and then choose to use said information however fits their own selfish interests. So I don't like them at all as martyrs of free speech. Assange is no Snowden. Then again, as I said, I am 100% against certain punishments that I think go against basic human rights. Just the possibility of ending up in ADX should be enough to deny extradition, regardless of who's the alleged criminal.

itsoktocry 6y ago
>and then choose to use said information however fits their own selfish interests It's hard to wrap my head around the argument that since the information was used to forward an agenda or was released selectively it's somehow "bad" Who cares, if the content is valid and incendiary? Leaks or whistleblowers don't have to be "balanced".
hajile 6y ago
Let's review (from wikipedia) Apparent Somali assassination order Guantanamo Bay procedures Daniel arap Moi Tibetan Unrest videos Scientology materials Sarah Palin Emails Killings by the Kenyan police BNP membership Congressional Research Service reports Norm Coleman Climategate 1 and 2 (the forgotten one that outright stated what the first implied) Barclays Bank tax avoidance Internet censorship lists Bilderberg Group meeting reports 2008 Peru oil scandal Nuclear accident in Iran Toxic dumping in Africa: The Minton report Kaupthing Bank Joint Services Protocol 440 9/11 pager messages U.S. Intelligence report on WikiLeaks Baghdad airstrike video Afghan War Diary Love Parade documents Iraq War logs State Department diplomatic cables release Guantanamo Bay files The Spy Files Stratfor email leak Syria Files Prosecution and prison documents for Anakata (the pirate bay guy) Draft Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement IP Charter and later TPP Investment Chapter Trade in Services Agreement chapter draft Australian bribery case suppression order Sony archives Trident Nuclear Weapons System The Saudi Cables DNC email leak Podesta emails (DNC and this show bias against Bernie Sanders rather than dealing with trump vs hillary) Yemen files (US secret involvement in Yemen conflict) German BND-NSA Inquiry (US spying on Germany) Turkish AK Party emails CIA espionage orders Vault 7 (CIA hacking software info) Spy Files Russia (Russia spies on it's citizens too) ICE Patrol (ICE employee LinkedIn profiles) corrupted broker in France-UAE arms deal (French and German governments selling weapons) Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (Syria/Russia interfering with chemical weapon investigation) I see no evidence that the releases favor particular countries or ideologies aside from the general anti-war stance. Most are about corruption and spying across a wide set of countries. It also makes sense that the US has the most leaks. The US probably has more continuing wars and "police actions" than any other 10 countries combined. In addition, the culture of the US tends to be more open making leaks a bit easier. What exactly on this list do you take issue with?

by kace91 6y ago

itsoktocry 6y ago

>and then choose to use said information however fits their own selfish interests It's hard to wrap my head around the argument that since the information was used to forward an agenda or was released selectively it's somehow "bad" Who cares, if the content is valid and incendiary? Leaks or whistleblowers don't have to be "balanced".

hajile 6y ago

Let's review (from wikipedia) Apparent Somali assassination order Guantanamo Bay procedures Daniel arap Moi Tibetan Unrest videos Scientology materials Sarah Palin Emails Killings by the Kenyan police BNP membership Congressional Research Service reports Norm Coleman Climategate 1 and 2 (the forgotten one that outright stated what the first implied) Barclays Bank tax avoidance Internet censorship lists Bilderberg Group meeting reports 2008 Peru oil scandal Nuclear accident in Iran Toxic dumping in Africa: The Minton report Kaupthing Bank Joint Services Protocol 440 9/11 pager messages U.S. Intelligence report on WikiLeaks Baghdad airstrike video Afghan War Diary Love Parade documents Iraq War logs State Department diplomatic cables release Guantanamo Bay files The Spy Files Stratfor email leak Syria Files Prosecution and prison documents for Anakata (the pirate bay guy) Draft Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement IP Charter and later TPP Investment Chapter Trade in Services Agreement chapter draft Australian bribery case suppression order Sony archives Trident Nuclear Weapons System The Saudi Cables DNC email leak Podesta emails (DNC and this show bias against Bernie Sanders rather than dealing with trump vs hillary) Yemen files (US secret involvement in Yemen conflict) German BND-NSA Inquiry (US spying on Germany) Turkish AK Party emails CIA espionage orders Vault 7 (CIA hacking software info) Spy Files Russia (Russia spies on it's citizens too) ICE Patrol (ICE employee LinkedIn profiles) corrupted broker in France-UAE arms deal (French and German governments selling weapons) Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (Syria/Russia interfering with chemical weapon investigation) I see no evidence that the releases favor particular countries or ideologies aside from the general anti-war stance. Most are about corruption and spying across a wide set of countries. It also makes sense that the US has the most leaks. The US probably has more continuing wars and "police actions" than any other 10 countries combined. In addition, the culture of the US tends to be more open making leaks a bit easier. What exactly on this list do you take issue with?