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> Never believe stories like this, measuring productivity is an impossible problem. While I do agree that many productivity metrics are useless and even counte

by 1e-9 6y ago

> Never believe stories like this, measuring productivity is an impossible problem. While I do agree that many productivity metrics are useless and even counterproductive, measuring productivity in a useful way is most certainly possible. For example, sales organizations measure sales per unit time for each sales person. I doubt you will find a successful sales organization not doing this.

Robin_Message 6y ago
Even then, what if one salesperson builds up better longer term relationships (e.g. by not pushing options the customer doesn't really need) and thus their future sales will be better but their initial productivity looks poor? Or a team player who is good at opening conversations but not closing? (I know, always be closing) But yes, with a quantifiable and accurate and business-orientated metric, you can measure some form of productivity. It is still hard for most roles in most organisations.
- 1e-9 6y ago
  Modifying a now trite-but-true saying from the statistical modeling world: “All productivity metrics are wrong, but some are useful.” I imagine there will always be an infinite number of ways an employee could add value that would be inadequately reflected in any finite collection of metrics, but that does not eliminate the usefulness of good metrics. Managerial judgement is always needed to account for exceptions that require accommodation.
  - bob33212 6y ago
    Metrics will never be perfect, they are an approximation of the real world. And some things are unknowable. Maybe a customer goes bankrupt 3 months into a project and you never collect the full revenue. One metric shows that a salesperson closed that deal and another metric shows that his revenue per customer isn't good.
- metacork 6y ago
  A successful team structure will make it difficult to measure individual productivity because team members spend some time on shared team priorities rather than just individual priorities. I enjoy team work and I push hard against managers focusing on individual performance metrics because it destroys team work.

by 1e-9 6y ago

Robin_Message 6y ago

Even then, what if one salesperson builds up better longer term relationships (e.g. by not pushing options the customer doesn't really need) and thus their future sales will be better but their initial productivity looks poor? Or a team player who is good at opening conversations but not closing? (I know, always be closing) But yes, with a quantifiable and accurate and business-orientated metric, you can measure some form of productivity. It is still hard for most roles in most organisations.

1e-9 6y ago
Modifying a now trite-but-true saying from the statistical modeling world: “All productivity metrics are wrong, but some are useful.” I imagine there will always be an infinite number of ways an employee could add value that would be inadequately reflected in any finite collection of metrics, but that does not eliminate the usefulness of good metrics. Managerial judgement is always needed to account for exceptions that require accommodation.
- bob33212 6y ago
  Metrics will never be perfect, they are an approximation of the real world. And some things are unknowable. Maybe a customer goes bankrupt 3 months into a project and you never collect the full revenue. One metric shows that a salesperson closed that deal and another metric shows that his revenue per customer isn't good.
metacork 6y ago
A successful team structure will make it difficult to measure individual productivity because team members spend some time on shared team priorities rather than just individual priorities. I enjoy team work and I push hard against managers focusing on individual performance metrics because it destroys team work.