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How about a company that faked a working phone? A phone where there is only 1 set of workflow that actually was successfuly. A phone that could not play an enti

by fma 6y ago

How about a company that faked a working phone? A phone where there is only 1 set of workflow that actually was successfuly. A phone that could not play an entire song. And because the CEO knew the phone would crash, even during the only workflow that worked, he had multiple phones on stage that he would swap out when it crashed. Is that also a lie? Because that's exactly what Steve Jobs did when he debuted the iPhone. https://gizmodo.com/the-iphones-first-demo-was-buggy-as-hell-1441324523 https://gizmodo.com/the-iphones-first-demo-was-buggy-as-hell...

Voloskaya 6y ago
> Is that also a lie? How is that a lie? On release day, when you got your iPhone, you got exactly what was demoed, not one feature was missing. As an Apple investor I would have no way to know what did and didn't work during that demo, and I wouldn't care because I got exactly what I was promised. I also would not expect everything to work, otherwise why would the release date be 9 months after the demo? And when making that demo, Steve Jobs was convinced (and he made sure he was right) that everything he was demoing would be ready by launch. He did not pretend that the iPhone could do something he very well knew wasn't possible. Trevor Milton promised things that he knew he would not deliver. He promised things that his company did not do, was not planning to do and did not have the capability to deliver. Where is the Nikola One today? Where is that revolutionary battery that he promised even once he cancelled the deal to buy that (non-existent) tech? Where is that hydrogen he said he was already producing years ago? Those two things are not remotely comparable.
javagram 6y ago
That’s really not the same thing at all. Demos that crash when you go off the happy path are pretty common (Halo 2’s demo was like this too, for instance). It doesn’t change that it’s still working software and doing everything its being shown to do (just not capable of doing things that aren’t being shown or demoed). The equivalent of the truck stunt would be if the iphone demo were just a CGI video of an “iphone” but it was actually just a green-screen piece of metal.

by fma 6y ago

Voloskaya 6y ago

> Is that also a lie? How is that a lie? On release day, when you got your iPhone, you got exactly what was demoed, not one feature was missing. As an Apple investor I would have no way to know what did and didn't work during that demo, and I wouldn't care because I got exactly what I was promised. I also would not expect everything to work, otherwise why would the release date be 9 months after the demo? And when making that demo, Steve Jobs was convinced (and he made sure he was right) that everything he was demoing would be ready by launch. He did not pretend that the iPhone could do something he very well knew wasn't possible. Trevor Milton promised things that he knew he would not deliver. He promised things that his company did not do, was not planning to do and did not have the capability to deliver. Where is the Nikola One today? Where is that revolutionary battery that he promised even once he cancelled the deal to buy that (non-existent) tech? Where is that hydrogen he said he was already producing years ago? Those two things are not remotely comparable.

javagram 6y ago

That’s really not the same thing at all. Demos that crash when you go off the happy path are pretty common (Halo 2’s demo was like this too, for instance). It doesn’t change that it’s still working software and doing everything its being shown to do (just not capable of doing things that aren’t being shown or demoed). The equivalent of the truck stunt would be if the iphone demo were just a CGI video of an “iphone” but it was actually just a green-screen piece of metal.