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If an employee is worth $200k to your company in SF, why are they not worth $200k to your company in Europe?

by _AzMoo 6y ago

ericd 6y ago
Because, at least for the moment, it's unlikely that any company is going to offer that European $200k. It's about BATNA, not perceived fairness. That said, this might change if remote work becomes a lot more common, and we might see a big flattening of salaries. Bad for SF real estate prices (and for high earners in those companies in general), since people in those HCOL markets will suddenly be competing a lot more directly with workers from elsewhere, modulo language skills, ease of scheduling, cultural fit, etc.
- _AzMoo 6y ago
  Right, it's about BATNA, but it stands to reason that especially in a time of ubiquitous remote work, offering remote workers salary parity will attract the highest talent from all regions, thereby providing a competitive advantage.
enra 6y ago
There isn't an objective measure available what an employee is worth to a company, especially at the hiring stage, especially in startups. If engineer lvl4 with the criteria you're hiring, is paid x in y market at z stage of the company then you pretty pay bit more or less depending how good you think they are compared to the average. Basically companies base their compensation bands on the 50-90th percentile what the market is. People are also anchored their previous compensation, it's hard to get people to accept drastically lower compensation even if you think they are overpaid in their current job. So it all comes down to finding a compensation that both parties are willing to engage in at (the market). The market is still not fully liquid, uniform or not all talent is the same so the pay differs in different markets. You could obviously game this too by saying to pay what people are they are "worth" but you just happen value SF experience more than other experience, essentially.
paxys 6y ago
An employee is only worth the minimum it takes to keep them employed. Where is the competition that is paying them $200K in Europe?

If an employee is worth $200k to your company in SF, why are they not worth $200k to your company in Europe?

by _AzMoo 6y ago

If an employee is worth $200k to your company in SF, why are they not worth $200k to your company in Europe?

Because, at least for the moment, it's unlikely that any company is going to offer that European $200k. It's about BATNA, not perceived fairness. That said, this might change if remote work becomes a lot more common, and we might see a big flattening of salaries. Bad for SF real estate prices (and for high earners in those companies in general), since people in those HCOL markets will suddenly be competing a lot more directly with workers from elsewhere, modulo language skills, ease of scheduling, cultural fit, etc.

_AzMoo 6y ago
Right, it's about BATNA, but it stands to reason that especially in a time of ubiquitous remote work, offering remote workers salary parity will attract the highest talent from all regions, thereby providing a competitive advantage.

enra 6y ago

There isn't an objective measure available what an employee is worth to a company, especially at the hiring stage, especially in startups. If engineer lvl4 with the criteria you're hiring, is paid x in y market at z stage of the company then you pretty pay bit more or less depending how good you think they are compared to the average. Basically companies base their compensation bands on the 50-90th percentile what the market is. People are also anchored their previous compensation, it's hard to get people to accept drastically lower compensation even if you think they are overpaid in their current job. So it all comes down to finding a compensation that both parties are willing to engage in at (the market). The market is still not fully liquid, uniform or not all talent is the same so the pay differs in different markets. You could obviously game this too by saying to pay what people are they are "worth" but you just happen value SF experience more than other experience, essentially.

paxys 6y ago

An employee is only worth the minimum it takes to keep them employed. Where is the competition that is paying them $200K in Europe?