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I wanted to do that, but I had a look at Pi Hole and ran away screaming. Instead of proper packaging, they have a 3000 line install script they want you to pipe

by encom 6y ago

I wanted to do that, but I had a look at Pi Hole and ran away screaming. Instead of proper packaging, they have a 3000 line install script they want you to pipe into Bash. I went a saner route, and used dnsmasq and a blocklist[1] updated nightly via cron. Dnsmasq in turn queries Stubby that talks to uncensoreddns.org via DNS-over-TLS. Boom, DoT on my entire LAN. [1]https://github.com/notracking/hosts-blocklists https://github.com/notracking/hosts-blocklists

t-writescode 6y ago
Run it in a docker container
- encom 6y ago
  That solves nothing.
  - t-writescode 6y ago
    My assumption here was that you didn’t like some rando script running on your machine with escalated permissions. I figured running it in a sandbox in a rocker container would be safer to you. Also, it’s easier to get up and running, though more difficult to update.
tga 6y ago
Would you feel better with a 3000 line install script inside a package? Or maybe you would prefer the same 3000 lines of code nicely compiled in a single binary?
- encom 6y ago
  I'd feel better if the install process didn't rely on manipulating the system package manager using janky scripts. That's a very poor way of handling dependencies, not to mention it's difficult to port.
_lacroix 6y ago
They acknowledge that piping to bash is controversial in their install guide and they provide other options for installation. I think they were intending for it to be as accessible as possible to non-technical users and piping to bash was the easiest way to make installation a one-line command that requires zero additional knowledge and still works on the tiny raspberry pi zero w. I can't say I agree with it as a general practice but it wasn't enough to turn me off since their software takes like 15 minutes to set up, provides a nice monitoring dashboard, and runs on the raspberry pi I'd relegated to my junk drawer. Your route may be saner to you but it certainly isn't for a lot of people who tinker with raspberry pi and want something like pi-hole but don't have extensive technical knowledge (I am not one of those people I am just a lazy engineer so it works for me too). https://docs.pi-hole.net/main/basic-install/ https://docs.pi-hole.net/main/basic-install/

by encom 6y ago

t-writescode 6y ago

Run it in a docker container

encom 6y ago
That solves nothing.
- t-writescode 6y ago
  My assumption here was that you didn’t like some rando script running on your machine with escalated permissions. I figured running it in a sandbox in a rocker container would be safer to you. Also, it’s easier to get up and running, though more difficult to update.

tga 6y ago

Would you feel better with a 3000 line install script inside a package? Or maybe you would prefer the same 3000 lines of code nicely compiled in a single binary?

encom 6y ago
I'd feel better if the install process didn't rely on manipulating the system package manager using janky scripts. That's a very poor way of handling dependencies, not to mention it's difficult to port.

_lacroix 6y ago

They acknowledge that piping to bash is controversial in their install guide and they provide other options for installation. I think they were intending for it to be as accessible as possible to non-technical users and piping to bash was the easiest way to make installation a one-line command that requires zero additional knowledge and still works on the tiny raspberry pi zero w. I can't say I agree with it as a general practice but it wasn't enough to turn me off since their software takes like 15 minutes to set up, provides a nice monitoring dashboard, and runs on the raspberry pi I'd relegated to my junk drawer. Your route may be saner to you but it certainly isn't for a lot of people who tinker with raspberry pi and want something like pi-hole but don't have extensive technical knowledge (I am not one of those people I am just a lazy engineer so it works for me too). https://docs.pi-hole.net/main/basic-install/ https://docs.pi-hole.net/main/basic-install/