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We tell tradespeople who are 40 years old to hit a bootcamp and get work in our magical software industry. Then, when those same people come to us to be hired o

We tell tradespeople who are 40 years old to hit a bootcamp and get work in our magical software industry. Then, when those same people come to us to be hired our recruiting manager says stuff like "well... they're 40, but have only got 6 months of experience; we can't hire them as a new recruit, but they also don't have enough experience to hire as a senior developer — guess we can't hire them". It's disgusting. Hire someone based on their experience, not their age.

in_cahoots 6y ago
I wonder if there’s a legal case here? A lot of companies only hire entry-level from new college grads (or even worse, returning interns). How is that not age discrimination?
- LanceH 6y ago
  There is no age requirement on being a recent college grad. They tend to be clustered tightly in a certain age range, but a 45 year old graduating would still have access to that same recruiting pipeline. Non diverse results doesn't imply illegal discrimination.
  - gnu8 6y ago
    > a 45 year old graduating would still have access to that same recruiting pipeline. Do we really believe this?
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  - in_cahoots 6y ago
    Let’s say I only want to hire software developers with buzz cuts. Women are free to cut their hair short and apply. Is this not gender discrimination? In fact, the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission seems to agree with me that this is risky: “For example, a help-wanted ad that seeks "females" or "recent college graduates" may discourage men and people over 40 from applying and may violate the law” https://www.eeoc.gov/prohibited-employment-policiespractices https://www.eeoc.gov/prohibited-employment-policiespractices Digging deeper, it looks like Facebook settled a 2008 case where they stated a preference for 2007 and 2008 graduates by saying they would no longer state the exact years they were looking for. At this point I’m willing to bet that hiring only new grads or returning interns is age discrimination but nobody’s brought the case to court.
  - occamrazor 6y ago
    There is the”disproportionate impact” argument. It is if course harder to prove, though.

in_cahoots 6y ago

I wonder if there’s a legal case here? A lot of companies only hire entry-level from new college grads (or even worse, returning interns). How is that not age discrimination?

LanceH 6y ago
There is no age requirement on being a recent college grad. They tend to be clustered tightly in a certain age range, but a 45 year old graduating would still have access to that same recruiting pipeline. Non diverse results doesn't imply illegal discrimination.
- gnu8 6y ago
  > a 45 year old graduating would still have access to that same recruiting pipeline. Do we really believe this?
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- in_cahoots 6y ago
  Let’s say I only want to hire software developers with buzz cuts. Women are free to cut their hair short and apply. Is this not gender discrimination? In fact, the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission seems to agree with me that this is risky: “For example, a help-wanted ad that seeks "females" or "recent college graduates" may discourage men and people over 40 from applying and may violate the law” https://www.eeoc.gov/prohibited-employment-policiespractices https://www.eeoc.gov/prohibited-employment-policiespractices Digging deeper, it looks like Facebook settled a 2008 case where they stated a preference for 2007 and 2008 graduates by saying they would no longer state the exact years they were looking for. At this point I’m willing to bet that hiring only new grads or returning interns is age discrimination but nobody’s brought the case to court.
- occamrazor 6y ago
  There is the”disproportionate impact” argument. It is if course harder to prove, though.