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Another example of the journalistic malpractice of not linking to the original articles or data. https://natick.research.microsoft.com/ https://natick.research

Another example of the journalistic malpractice of not linking to the original articles or data. https://natick.research.microsoft.com/ https://natick.research.microsoft.com/ https://news.microsoft.com/innovation-stories/project-natick-underwater-datacenter/ https://news.microsoft.com/innovation-stories/project-natick... One of the facts left unmentioned is that this was built and operated by Naval, the French state-owned submarine and shipbuilding corporation.

Kydlaw 6y ago
I don't get your point? Why is it that relevant to you?
- zymhan 6y ago
  Breaking news: Experts on underwater vessel construction asked to construct underwater vessel.
- kevincox 6y ago
  1. Linking to your sources is a good practice. 2. Their article adds little if any insight over the original article. I would often prefer to see the source and read it instead/additionally.
- s_dev 6y ago
  It rewards originality over the long term rather than the fastest copy and paster. Sort of like how we try link to the original YouTube video.
  - bredren 6y ago
    Understanding what is OC is an increasingly important point for digital content makers, from memes to ideas for explainer videos. I think with actual articles written by presumed journalists, linking to source data is what establishes the credibility of the author’s writing and suggests they have read and understand the content. Not linking to it doesn’t mean the author doesn’t understand it, but it may mean their work does nothing more than regurgitate (adds nothing of value apart from increased distribution)
- angry_octet 6y ago
  Is it not significant that this level of expertise is required? Do you think Microsoft paid Naval, or did they want to acquire expertise? Why use Naval rather than a civilian focused fabricator? When you consider the significance of undersea cables to the global economy, the propensity of states to intercept them covertly, the difficulty of attacking or even finding submersed compute, and so on, the ramifications are significantly greater than 'green compute'.
calibas 6y ago
Especially scummy when they've also broken the functionality of the back button and all the links are to other BBC articles. It's like the main function of the site is to trap you.
- andrewnicolalde 6y ago
  If you're in the US like I am, I think it's because the BBC redirects all non-UK visitors to BBC.com, and so when you hit the back button from BBC.com you get sent back to BBC.co.uk which in turn redirects you to BBC.com. It gets on my nerves too.
  - zymhan 6y ago
    I thought back-button hijacking, malicious or accidental, had been solved in browsers years ago. I suppose I need to go search for an extension to fix that instead.
  - codetrotter 6y ago
    Could be but I am also seeing a trend where some websites manipulate the navigation history so that when you click the back button in your browser you end up at their home page even if you came to the page you are currently on via some other site. I first saw this on Facebook but I have since seen even sites that I used to respect follow this same pattern. To me this is nothing but another dark pattern.
    - anigbrowl 6y ago
      Wouldn't it be nice to have a browser engineered to protect against that? I'm tired of struggling with dark patterns every day, from URL hijacking to modal dialogs with deliberately broken layouts to scrolljacking.
- dang 6y ago
  "Please don't complain about website formatting, back-button breakage, and similar annoyances. They're too common to be interesting. Exception: when the author is present. Then friendly feedback might be helpful." https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
adrianmonk 6y ago
> journalistic malpractice of not linking That disease is very prevalent, and I don't understand why. My less-cynical guess is that the industry is stuck in the past, and journalists need better training and tools. My more-cynical guess is that they are afraid of irrelevance, so they are defensively trying to keep you in their walled garden of information instead of encouraging you to get into the habit of getting info more directly.
- nomel 6y ago
  I've always assumed it's the fear of dead links hurting their SEO.
  - tomjakubowski 6y ago
    Outbound links also remove the reader from the newspaper's ad revenue stream.

Kydlaw 6y ago

I don't get your point? Why is it that relevant to you?

zymhan 6y ago
Breaking news: Experts on underwater vessel construction asked to construct underwater vessel.
kevincox 6y ago
1. Linking to your sources is a good practice. 2. Their article adds little if any insight over the original article. I would often prefer to see the source and read it instead/additionally.
s_dev 6y ago
It rewards originality over the long term rather than the fastest copy and paster. Sort of like how we try link to the original YouTube video.
- bredren 6y ago
  Understanding what is OC is an increasingly important point for digital content makers, from memes to ideas for explainer videos. I think with actual articles written by presumed journalists, linking to source data is what establishes the credibility of the author’s writing and suggests they have read and understand the content. Not linking to it doesn’t mean the author doesn’t understand it, but it may mean their work does nothing more than regurgitate (adds nothing of value apart from increased distribution)
angry_octet 6y ago
Is it not significant that this level of expertise is required? Do you think Microsoft paid Naval, or did they want to acquire expertise? Why use Naval rather than a civilian focused fabricator? When you consider the significance of undersea cables to the global economy, the propensity of states to intercept them covertly, the difficulty of attacking or even finding submersed compute, and so on, the ramifications are significantly greater than 'green compute'.

calibas 6y ago

Especially scummy when they've also broken the functionality of the back button and all the links are to other BBC articles. It's like the main function of the site is to trap you.

andrewnicolalde 6y ago
If you're in the US like I am, I think it's because the BBC redirects all non-UK visitors to BBC.com, and so when you hit the back button from BBC.com you get sent back to BBC.co.uk which in turn redirects you to BBC.com. It gets on my nerves too.
- zymhan 6y ago
  I thought back-button hijacking, malicious or accidental, had been solved in browsers years ago. I suppose I need to go search for an extension to fix that instead.
- codetrotter 6y ago
  Could be but I am also seeing a trend where some websites manipulate the navigation history so that when you click the back button in your browser you end up at their home page even if you came to the page you are currently on via some other site. I first saw this on Facebook but I have since seen even sites that I used to respect follow this same pattern. To me this is nothing but another dark pattern.
  - anigbrowl 6y ago
    Wouldn't it be nice to have a browser engineered to protect against that? I'm tired of struggling with dark patterns every day, from URL hijacking to modal dialogs with deliberately broken layouts to scrolljacking.
dang 6y ago
"Please don't complain about website formatting, back-button breakage, and similar annoyances. They're too common to be interesting. Exception: when the author is present. Then friendly feedback might be helpful." https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

adrianmonk 6y ago

> journalistic malpractice of not linking That disease is very prevalent, and I don't understand why. My less-cynical guess is that the industry is stuck in the past, and journalists need better training and tools. My more-cynical guess is that they are afraid of irrelevance, so they are defensively trying to keep you in their walled garden of information instead of encouraging you to get into the habit of getting info more directly.

nomel 6y ago
I've always assumed it's the fear of dead links hurting their SEO.
- tomjakubowski 6y ago
  Outbound links also remove the reader from the newspaper's ad revenue stream.