Are you saying, "Scientists are lying to you about covid" is a false statement and has always been false? Because I'm pretty sure that when "scientists" (not a

Are you saying, "Scientists are lying to you about covid" is a false statement and has always been false? Because I'm pretty sure that when "scientists" (not all of them but those in power) suddenly flipped from saying masks did nothing to masks are essential, the justification given was that they had previously been lying but now didn't need to anymore. So the statement is unambiguously true, if taken over the entire course of events. Moreover, I think most people are too smart to believe that whether COVID-19 is spread at protests depends on the views of those who are protesting, but plenty of scientists have made exactly that claim too. They were quite clearly lying. The idea that scientists never lie is the biggest lie of all. Of course they lie. They routinely write fraudulent papers and hope nobody tries to replicate them, but there's also the issue that lying isn't binary. There's a big spectrum between full honesty and lying, with a big area of murky intellectual practices in the middle, practices like woeful exaggeration, cherry picking, abusive citations (e.g. citing a document in support of a statement that doesn't actually support that statement) and all the other problems that meta-science writers complain about. If society accepted that scientists don't actually have better souls than politicians, business owners or journalists then we'd already be a long way towards solving the gullibility problem. As for climate change, well, the whole ClimateGate thing did involve destruction of emails by researchers and then lying about it: to the British Parliament, no less! Even the Guardian bailed out at that point. Again, the idea that scientists can and do lie isn't some disinformation campaign. It's obvious and true.