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Assuming they actually reached zero, who cares? I mean I'd love google to work on carbon removal efforts for the world at whole, but, capitalism.

ohthehugemanate 6y ago
Well presumably customers care. Azure positions itself in some markets as the ethical choice - large parts open source, actually net zero carbon, AI ethics board and terms that rejects dicey cases, etc etc. Argue against the usefulness or real impact of these moves all you want, the point is that they show the image MS is trying to build. But speaking a bit more broadly, you'd get a good idea from the Wikipedia page on corporate ethics. It's a whole field of study.
TedDoesntTalk 6y ago
Capitalism does not mean we can’t have legislation to protect humanity —- think of the clean air act and a host of others (e.g. OSHA)
- dragonwriter 6y ago
  > Capitalism does not mean we can’t have legislation to protect humanity Mostly, it does. > think of the clean air act and a host of others (e.g. OSHA) Those laws are at odds with capitalism, because they limit the control of private capital owners over the application of that capital in favor of social direction or limitation by the State on others’ interest. Now, you can support that as necessary for the good of society or oppose it as an infringement on the liberty of owners, but in either case you shouldn't mistake it for capitalism.
  - komali2 6y ago
    This is correct and shouldn't be downvoted. You can like capitalism while acknowledging its faults.
    - TedDoesntTalk 6y ago
      I think I am conflating capitalism and free markets.
    - bawolff 6y ago
      Its a very missing the forest for the trees definition. Like how my computer is technically a regular expression because the universe is finite so it can be simulated by a large enough finite state machine.
    - s1artibartfast 6y ago
      The post is presuming that limitations can not be placed on capitalism. As it is verbally used, capitalism is compatible with regulation. For example, slavery and child prostitution are illegal in essentially every capitalist economy.
- komali2 6y ago
  I actually agree wholly - I think we should pass regulation. But I don't understand why we don't regulate zero carbon and that's that. Beyond that, presumably it'd be the government's responsibility to purge remaining excess carbon from the atmosphere.
soperj 6y ago
they haven't, that's the point, and why I had the zero in quotes.

ohthehugemanate 6y ago

Well presumably customers care. Azure positions itself in some markets as the ethical choice - large parts open source, actually net zero carbon, AI ethics board and terms that rejects dicey cases, etc etc. Argue against the usefulness or real impact of these moves all you want, the point is that they show the image MS is trying to build. But speaking a bit more broadly, you'd get a good idea from the Wikipedia page on corporate ethics. It's a whole field of study.

TedDoesntTalk 6y ago

Capitalism does not mean we can’t have legislation to protect humanity —- think of the clean air act and a host of others (e.g. OSHA)

dragonwriter 6y ago
> Capitalism does not mean we can’t have legislation to protect humanity Mostly, it does. > think of the clean air act and a host of others (e.g. OSHA) Those laws are at odds with capitalism, because they limit the control of private capital owners over the application of that capital in favor of social direction or limitation by the State on others’ interest. Now, you can support that as necessary for the good of society or oppose it as an infringement on the liberty of owners, but in either case you shouldn't mistake it for capitalism.
- komali2 6y ago
  This is correct and shouldn't be downvoted. You can like capitalism while acknowledging its faults.
  - TedDoesntTalk 6y ago
    I think I am conflating capitalism and free markets.
  - bawolff 6y ago
    Its a very missing the forest for the trees definition. Like how my computer is technically a regular expression because the universe is finite so it can be simulated by a large enough finite state machine.
  - s1artibartfast 6y ago
    The post is presuming that limitations can not be placed on capitalism. As it is verbally used, capitalism is compatible with regulation. For example, slavery and child prostitution are illegal in essentially every capitalist economy.
komali2 6y ago
I actually agree wholly - I think we should pass regulation. But I don't understand why we don't regulate zero carbon and that's that. Beyond that, presumably it'd be the government's responsibility to purge remaining excess carbon from the atmosphere.

soperj 6y ago

they haven't, that's the point, and why I had the zero in quotes.