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While I agree "for the planet" is terrible messaging (namely, the planet's been through worse and will be just fine), I also think your proposed change is bulls

While I agree "for the planet" is terrible messaging (namely, the planet's been through worse and will be just fine), I also think your proposed change is bullshit. Your children will and their children will be fine, but there's big and real chance that they will not have the standard of life you have and certainly far below what they could have. I think that's plenty scary in its own.

Abishek_Muthian 6y ago
>Your children will and their children will be fine What about the children who died in the fires now in USA, in Australia, Floods in India and elsewhere all of which have been worse than ever in this century and the reason being attributed to climate change?
- macinjosh 6y ago
  Humans of all ages have been killed by natural disasters as long as there has been humans. Nothing new. It is not like huge numbers of people are being killed by them all of a sudden. Increase in population and structure construction in these forests is why the toll seems higher now.
  - Brakenshire 6y ago
    It’s that, and woodland management, and climate change.
- martythemaniak 6y ago
  The question is "what's at stake with climate change", not about what happens to invididuals (because everything happens to individuals). What's at stake isn't the death of the planet, or the death of life, or the death of civilization. All these things are resilient enough to adapt to the effects of climate change. What isn't resilient enough is our quality of life, which is based on my assumptions that climate change will invalidate. The next generation will thus have to spend their surplus resources dealing with these adaptations, instead of leveraging themselves up into higher and better lives.
  - vharuck 6y ago
    >All these things are resilient enough to adapt to the effects of climate change. Everything lasts forever, until it's over. Extinctions are the norm in Earth's history. There's no reason to think humans are the exception. The fact that humanity has yet to die off isn't much comfort. It's a sample size of 1 species, and by definition we wouldn't even be discussing this if the alternative happened.
- tgsovlerkhgsel 6y ago
  I wonder how much perception aligns with reality here. For people who don't know the numbers, please post your estimates of how many people died in the 2019-2020 fires in Australia and the 2020 California fires so far, then look up the answer on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019%E2%80%9320_Australian_bushfire_season https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019%E2%80%9320_Australian_bus... and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_California_wildfires https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_California_wildfires.

Abishek_Muthian 6y ago

>Your children will and their children will be fine What about the children who died in the fires now in USA, in Australia, Floods in India and elsewhere all of which have been worse than ever in this century and the reason being attributed to climate change?

macinjosh 6y ago
Humans of all ages have been killed by natural disasters as long as there has been humans. Nothing new. It is not like huge numbers of people are being killed by them all of a sudden. Increase in population and structure construction in these forests is why the toll seems higher now.
- Brakenshire 6y ago
  It’s that, and woodland management, and climate change.
martythemaniak 6y ago
The question is "what's at stake with climate change", not about what happens to invididuals (because everything happens to individuals). What's at stake isn't the death of the planet, or the death of life, or the death of civilization. All these things are resilient enough to adapt to the effects of climate change. What isn't resilient enough is our quality of life, which is based on my assumptions that climate change will invalidate. The next generation will thus have to spend their surplus resources dealing with these adaptations, instead of leveraging themselves up into higher and better lives.
- vharuck 6y ago
  >All these things are resilient enough to adapt to the effects of climate change. Everything lasts forever, until it's over. Extinctions are the norm in Earth's history. There's no reason to think humans are the exception. The fact that humanity has yet to die off isn't much comfort. It's a sample size of 1 species, and by definition we wouldn't even be discussing this if the alternative happened.
tgsovlerkhgsel 6y ago
I wonder how much perception aligns with reality here. For people who don't know the numbers, please post your estimates of how many people died in the 2019-2020 fires in Australia and the 2020 California fires so far, then look up the answer on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019%E2%80%9320_Australian_bushfire_season https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019%E2%80%9320_Australian_bus... and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_California_wildfires https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_California_wildfires.