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But you can't disable play store and framework(s) without losing a ton of integrated facilities. Probably also why the integrate most ad and tracking stuff in t

But you can't disable play store and framework(s) without losing a ton of integrated facilities. Probably also why the integrate most ad and tracking stuff in there.

Wowfunhappy 6y ago
> But you can't disable play store and framework(s) without losing a ton of integrated facilities. But can’t those basically be considered part of the operating system at this point? I can’t disable Apple frameworks on my iPhone either. Mind, iOS of course does less user tracking.
- freeqaz 6y ago
  > But can’t those basically be considered part of the operating system at this point? That's exactly why I switched because the idea that I can't disable Play Services is bonkers. It does look like MicroG (open-source replacement) is maturing a lot recently though! > I can’t disable Apple frameworks on my iPhone either. Mind, iOS of course does less user tracking. Apple makes their money up front by me purchasing the device. That's why they're expensive. They are a hardware company. Whenever you use an iOS feature for the first time, you are prompted with a privacy policy statement that is presented in both a summary and a long form to be read before you click agree. And they have an icon that they show you whenever data will leave your device. With them being the forward about it, I trust it way more. If you don't believe me, go and read this[0] privacy policy on (arguably) the creepiest feature that Apple provides you (Siri). Some quotes from it: > Siri Data is associated with a random, device generated identifier. This random identifier is not linked to your Apple ID, email address, or other data Apple may have from your use of other Apple services. > Siri Data and your requests are not used to build a marketing profile, and are never sold to anyone. That immediately hits me differently from Google's policy (I read it a long while ago now), and it makes me view Apple with enough of a positive light to make the ecosystem jump. 0: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT210657 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT210657
  - gowld 6y ago
    > Apple makes their money up front by me purchasing the device. That's why they're expensive. Apple also charges 30% of much of your software and content purchases, and the hardest isn't particularly expensive relative to similar competitor hardware.
    - freeqaz 6y ago
      > Apple also charges 30% of much of your software and content purchases Ah, yeah. That's a good point! > the hardest(hardware) isn't particularly expensive relative to similar competitor hardware. Their margins are higher though because they are more vertically integrated. Especially on the higher end phones, they make serious $
em-bee 6y ago
/e/ ( https://e.foundation https://e.foundation ) provides a google free android experience. i am quite happy with it.
- dylan604 6y ago
  How is anything Android Google free? Is Android its own separate entity not under the Google/Alphabet lineage? This has kept me from seriously considering Android as something I could ever use.
  - colejohnson66 6y ago
    They don’t mean it’s Android with no relation to Google; they mean that it’s Android with the Google parts removed.
    - dylan604 6y ago
      I guess I'm asking what part of Android is not Google? I get trying to detach apps like GMail, Maps, PlayStore, etc. But if Google created Android, why is it assumed to be okay of doing Googly things?
      - em-bee 6y ago
        the concern is not code written by google, but code that depends on googles infrastructure, requires a google account, phones home, gives google control over my phone, is not released under a FOSS license (so i can't change it), anything that violates the users privacy... so what /e/ is doing is essentially an audit of android, and an attempt to remove everything that is of concern. it's a major project, and it's not complete. work in progress.
      - gowld 6y ago
        Android core (AOSP) is Apache-licensed free open source.
- freeqaz 6y ago
RealStickman_ 6y ago
You could try out LineageOSformicroG. (Basically LineageOS + microG + signature spoofing patch) It's not 100% of the user experience, but most things work well enough that it's worth it imo. (Running this daily on my OnePlus 3 since last year or so)
benologist 6y ago
You can block a lot of apps individually from accessing the internet with NetGuard - https://f-droid.org/en/packages/eu.faircode.netguard/ https://f-droid.org/en/packages/eu.faircode.netguard/ https://github.com/M66B/NetGuard https://github.com/M66B/NetGuard
- dontcarethrow2 6y ago
  This and disabling google apps. Surprisingly not much of a difference in functionality, my data usage is low, downloaded local maps on OSM. Motorola something

But you can't disable play store and framework(s) without losing a ton of integrated facilities. Probably also why the integrate most ad and tracking stuff in there.

Wowfunhappy 6y ago

> But you can't disable play store and framework(s) without losing a ton of integrated facilities. But can’t those basically be considered part of the operating system at this point? I can’t disable Apple frameworks on my iPhone either. Mind, iOS of course does less user tracking.

freeqaz 6y ago
> But can’t those basically be considered part of the operating system at this point? That's exactly why I switched because the idea that I can't disable Play Services is bonkers. It does look like MicroG (open-source replacement) is maturing a lot recently though! > I can’t disable Apple frameworks on my iPhone either. Mind, iOS of course does less user tracking. Apple makes their money up front by me purchasing the device. That's why they're expensive. They are a hardware company. Whenever you use an iOS feature for the first time, you are prompted with a privacy policy statement that is presented in both a summary and a long form to be read before you click agree. And they have an icon that they show you whenever data will leave your device. With them being the forward about it, I trust it way more. If you don't believe me, go and read this[0] privacy policy on (arguably) the creepiest feature that Apple provides you (Siri). Some quotes from it: > Siri Data is associated with a random, device generated identifier. This random identifier is not linked to your Apple ID, email address, or other data Apple may have from your use of other Apple services. > Siri Data and your requests are not used to build a marketing profile, and are never sold to anyone. That immediately hits me differently from Google's policy (I read it a long while ago now), and it makes me view Apple with enough of a positive light to make the ecosystem jump. 0: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT210657 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT210657
- gowld 6y ago
  > Apple makes their money up front by me purchasing the device. That's why they're expensive. Apple also charges 30% of much of your software and content purchases, and the hardest isn't particularly expensive relative to similar competitor hardware.
  - freeqaz 6y ago
    > Apple also charges 30% of much of your software and content purchases Ah, yeah. That's a good point! > the hardest(hardware) isn't particularly expensive relative to similar competitor hardware. Their margins are higher though because they are more vertically integrated. Especially on the higher end phones, they make serious $

em-bee 6y ago

/e/ ( https://e.foundation https://e.foundation ) provides a google free android experience. i am quite happy with it.

dylan604 6y ago
How is anything Android Google free? Is Android its own separate entity not under the Google/Alphabet lineage? This has kept me from seriously considering Android as something I could ever use.
- colejohnson66 6y ago
  They don’t mean it’s Android with no relation to Google; they mean that it’s Android with the Google parts removed.
  - dylan604 6y ago
    I guess I'm asking what part of Android is not Google? I get trying to detach apps like GMail, Maps, PlayStore, etc. But if Google created Android, why is it assumed to be okay of doing Googly things?
    - em-bee 6y ago
      the concern is not code written by google, but code that depends on googles infrastructure, requires a google account, phones home, gives google control over my phone, is not released under a FOSS license (so i can't change it), anything that violates the users privacy... so what /e/ is doing is essentially an audit of android, and an attempt to remove everything that is of concern. it's a major project, and it's not complete. work in progress.
    - gowld 6y ago
      Android core (AOSP) is Apache-licensed free open source.
freeqaz 6y ago

RealStickman_ 6y ago

You could try out LineageOSformicroG. (Basically LineageOS + microG + signature spoofing patch) It's not 100% of the user experience, but most things work well enough that it's worth it imo. (Running this daily on my OnePlus 3 since last year or so)

benologist 6y ago

You can block a lot of apps individually from accessing the internet with NetGuard - https://f-droid.org/en/packages/eu.faircode.netguard/ https://f-droid.org/en/packages/eu.faircode.netguard/ https://github.com/M66B/NetGuard https://github.com/M66B/NetGuard

dontcarethrow2 6y ago
This and disabling google apps. Surprisingly not much of a difference in functionality, my data usage is low, downloaded local maps on OSM. Motorola something