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The US government doesn't have nearly the amount of control or integration the Chinese have with their companies. It's simply not comparable. And I say that as
by Bayart 6y ago
The US government doesn't have nearly the amount of control or integration the Chinese have with their companies.
It's simply not comparable. And I say that as a European who wants FB neutered.
- angio 6y agoDosen't the CLOUD Act mean that the US government has access to all data owned by American companies, even if the data is physically outside the US?
- PeterStuer 6y agoIt is irrelevant whether it is the government that controls the enterprises or the enterprises that control the government when the symbiotic entanglement runs that deep as is the case in both the US and China.
- sonotathrowaway 6y agoI don’t ever remember anyone alleging the United States used the TAO to steal trade secrets to give to American corporations, nor do I ever recall them hacking other countries to gain advantages in trade negotiations. If you’d like to paint them as equally entwined, please cite your sources.
- PeterStuer 6y agoIt's pretty systemic, not an exception. Just of the top of my head. "In 1999, Enercon, a German company and leading manufacturer of wind energy equipment, developed a breakthrough generator for wind turbines. After applying for a US patent, it had learned that Kenetech, an American rival, had submitted an almost identical patent application shortly before. By the statement of a former NSA employee, it was later discovered that the NSA had secretly intercepted and monitored Enercon's data communications and conference calls and passed information regarding the new generator to Kenetech. As German intelligence services are forbidden from engaging in industrial or economic espionage, German companies are frequently complaining that this leaves them defenceless against industrial espionage from the United States. According to Wolfgang Hoffmann, a former manager at Bayer, German intelligence services are aware which companies are being targeted by US intelligence agencies, but refuse to inform the companies involved." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECHELON#Examples_of_industrial_espionage https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECHELON#Examples_of_industrial...
- eloisant 6y agoIt might not be as official as in China, but the US government has US based companies in control. The Cloud Act basically says that the Federal government can force any US company to hand over data, even if the data is not located in US. Even before the Cloud Act was passed, with the PRISM program Big Tech were offering a backdoor to the NSA to access their data. So, not as visible, but just as effective.
- spaced-out 6y agoThe President of the US publically demanded a cut of the Byte Dance sale as a condition of it getting approved. Take it from an American, the US is not the same country it was 5 years ago.
- mensetmanusman 6y agoUm, it is exactly the same, it’s just out in the open. Remember, when JFK was doing diplomatic tours around Europe they had prostitutes ready for him at hotels. The current American president’s behavior is par for the course.
- irondruid 6y agoWhat is your source? https://www.bbc.com/news/business-53633315 https://www.bbc.com/news/business-53633315 Your post implies that the president expects to directly benefit financially from the sale of TikTok.