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That's exactly right. Anybody who has been at a moderately successful startup knows all too well the step where a Chinese company will approach you to "partner"

That's exactly right. Anybody who has been at a moderately successful startup knows all too well the step where a Chinese company will approach you to "partner"[0] into the Chinese market [0] Where "partner" means - setup a local JP we control and give us your IP and you will own a "share" (but good luck with the local courts when things go wrong!)

AmericanChopper 6y ago
The fact that anybody could point fingers at the US for making it difficult for China to do business here is absurd. China is one of the most hostile protectionist economies. The US has never done anything that even approaches how difficult it is for a foreign business to trade in China. I’m quite a strong advocate for free trade. But if a country has locked you out of their market, I don’t think you should give them easy access to yours.
- wombatmobile 6y ago
  6 Businesses with Success in China (and How They Did It) https://blog.btrax.com/6-businesses-with-success-in-china-and-how-they-did-it/ https://blog.btrax.com/6-businesses-with-success-in-china-an...
- Fnoord 6y ago
  Whether an eye for eye works is a matter for debate. As for US, FISA courts, NSLs etc were a worry when AMS-IX wanted to start a subsidiary in NY, USA. The argument "what about ..." or "they are worse" isn't strong.
  - AmericanChopper 6y ago
    An eye for an eye isn’t really relevant. If a country is manipulating its markets, and denying another country access to them, then the country that is denied fair access is putting its own economy at risk. A US business cannot be expected to fairly compete with a Chinese business, and trade barriers are a perfectly reasonable response to that. Regarding the US intelligence apparatus. It’s a threat to the liberty of US citizens. But it’s not a threat to US national security.
  - mensetmanusman 6y ago
    Well, letting a group of people with 4-5x your population run rampant over you is a risk..
jka 6y ago
It's hard to tell since details are scarce in the article, but perhaps this is the same model that Oracle and TikTok are aiming for? (Oracle provides the U.S. footing for a partnership, and that relationship enables TikTok to (continue to) operate in the country)

AmericanChopper 6y ago

The fact that anybody could point fingers at the US for making it difficult for China to do business here is absurd. China is one of the most hostile protectionist economies. The US has never done anything that even approaches how difficult it is for a foreign business to trade in China. I’m quite a strong advocate for free trade. But if a country has locked you out of their market, I don’t think you should give them easy access to yours.

wombatmobile 6y ago
6 Businesses with Success in China (and How They Did It) https://blog.btrax.com/6-businesses-with-success-in-china-and-how-they-did-it/ https://blog.btrax.com/6-businesses-with-success-in-china-an...
Fnoord 6y ago
Whether an eye for eye works is a matter for debate. As for US, FISA courts, NSLs etc were a worry when AMS-IX wanted to start a subsidiary in NY, USA. The argument "what about ..." or "they are worse" isn't strong.
- AmericanChopper 6y ago
  An eye for an eye isn’t really relevant. If a country is manipulating its markets, and denying another country access to them, then the country that is denied fair access is putting its own economy at risk. A US business cannot be expected to fairly compete with a Chinese business, and trade barriers are a perfectly reasonable response to that. Regarding the US intelligence apparatus. It’s a threat to the liberty of US citizens. But it’s not a threat to US national security.
- mensetmanusman 6y ago
  Well, letting a group of people with 4-5x your population run rampant over you is a risk..

jka 6y ago

It's hard to tell since details are scarce in the article, but perhaps this is the same model that Oracle and TikTok are aiming for? (Oracle provides the U.S. footing for a partnership, and that relationship enables TikTok to (continue to) operate in the country)