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> and decided to pursue a partnership with Oracle in hopes of avoiding a U.S. ban while appeasing the Chinese government This makes more sense if you replace "

> and decided to pursue a partnership with Oracle in hopes of avoiding a U.S. ban while appeasing the Chinese government This makes more sense if you replace "Oracle" with "company run by a Trump ally". I'd argue this makes Trump's "hard on China" start to look pretty fishy, but I suspect anyone who cares made up their mind about who to vote for a long time ago.

iamnotarobotman 6y ago
Would it be fair to say 'Twitter and Facebook are associated with the Democrats given the censorship and bias against right-leaning accounts?' It wouldn't. This is how silly this guilt by association fallacy is when you associate one's views with the entire views of the company because the chairman is a 'Trump supporter'. Now you have another so called 'report' directly contradicting the entire matter of selling to Oracle. [0] An official statement only confirms or denies these 'reports'. We only know of Microsoft's official statement and not Oracle's or Bytedance's so spreading such 'rumours' or so called 'direct sources' tells us that we should wait for official statements rather than jumping into ultimate conclusions. [0] https://news.cgtn.com/news/2020-09-14/ByteDance-rejects-Microsoft-s-bid-for-TikTok-TLLgABWx56/index.html https://news.cgtn.com/news/2020-09-14/ByteDance-rejects-Micr...
- KineticLensman 6y ago
  > another so called 'report' directly contradicting the entire matter of selling to Oracle. Not selling isn't a contradiction. The earlier story was that Oracle would become a US tech partner who host TikTok, not that they would own it.
pjc50 6y ago
Supporting evidence: https://www.businessinsider.com/oracle-billionaire-larry-ellison-is-fundraising-for-donald-trump-2020-2?r=US&IR=T https://www.businessinsider.com/oracle-billionaire-larry-ell... Everybody does it, but I still think that businesses fundraising for political activity should basically be regarded as corruption.
- iamnotarobotman 6y ago
  > Everybody does it, but I still think that businesses fundraising for political activity should basically be regarded as corruption. Right. So perhaps Mike Bloomberg is corrupt then. Oh dear. Supporting evidence: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/sep/13/mike-bloomberg-spend-100m-biden-trump-florida https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/sep/13/mike-bloombe... You can also see how using 'guilt by association' here makes no sense with Oracle if we keep thinking that 'Bloomberg LP is supporting Biden.'
  - ceejayoz 6y ago
    Yes, Bloomberg is corrupt. He tried to outright purchase the Democratic nomination, and subsequently dangled all sorts of promises of political spending in further attempts to buy influence.
  - christophilus 6y ago
    Bloomberg is corrupt. In addition to his attempt at purchasing a nomination, his publication stopped writing about Xi’s family wealth in order to sell more terminals in China.
  - dragonwriter 6y ago
    > So perhaps Mike Bloomberg is corrupt then. Yes, perhaps. Perhaps also the Pacific Ocean has some water and perhaps the sky is above the land and perhaps the Sun rises is the East. Does anyone not think Bloomberg is corrupt? > You can also see how using 'guilt by association' here makes no sense with Oracle if we keep thinking that 'Bloomberg LP is supporting Biden.' But the argument here wasn't guilt by association—that some one was bad because they were associated with someone else that is bad. It was that an action was taken to appeal to Trump by dealing with a firm known to be associated with and presumed to be favored by him. No one is guilty by association in that presentation.
  - pjc50 6y ago
    Yes, having a billionaire news magnate buy his way into the Democrat party is also corrupt. (indeed, this is why Trump's "drain the swamp" pitch was so effective, despite being even more corrupt!)

iamnotarobotman 6y ago

Would it be fair to say 'Twitter and Facebook are associated with the Democrats given the censorship and bias against right-leaning accounts?' It wouldn't. This is how silly this guilt by association fallacy is when you associate one's views with the entire views of the company because the chairman is a 'Trump supporter'. Now you have another so called 'report' directly contradicting the entire matter of selling to Oracle. [0] An official statement only confirms or denies these 'reports'. We only know of Microsoft's official statement and not Oracle's or Bytedance's so spreading such 'rumours' or so called 'direct sources' tells us that we should wait for official statements rather than jumping into ultimate conclusions. [0] https://news.cgtn.com/news/2020-09-14/ByteDance-rejects-Microsoft-s-bid-for-TikTok-TLLgABWx56/index.html https://news.cgtn.com/news/2020-09-14/ByteDance-rejects-Micr...

KineticLensman 6y ago
> another so called 'report' directly contradicting the entire matter of selling to Oracle. Not selling isn't a contradiction. The earlier story was that Oracle would become a US tech partner who host TikTok, not that they would own it.

pjc50 6y ago

Supporting evidence: https://www.businessinsider.com/oracle-billionaire-larry-ellison-is-fundraising-for-donald-trump-2020-2?r=US&IR=T https://www.businessinsider.com/oracle-billionaire-larry-ell... Everybody does it, but I still think that businesses fundraising for political activity should basically be regarded as corruption.

iamnotarobotman 6y ago
> Everybody does it, but I still think that businesses fundraising for political activity should basically be regarded as corruption. Right. So perhaps Mike Bloomberg is corrupt then. Oh dear. Supporting evidence: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/sep/13/mike-bloomberg-spend-100m-biden-trump-florida https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/sep/13/mike-bloombe... You can also see how using 'guilt by association' here makes no sense with Oracle if we keep thinking that 'Bloomberg LP is supporting Biden.'
- ceejayoz 6y ago
  Yes, Bloomberg is corrupt. He tried to outright purchase the Democratic nomination, and subsequently dangled all sorts of promises of political spending in further attempts to buy influence.
- christophilus 6y ago
  Bloomberg is corrupt. In addition to his attempt at purchasing a nomination, his publication stopped writing about Xi’s family wealth in order to sell more terminals in China.
- dragonwriter 6y ago
  > So perhaps Mike Bloomberg is corrupt then. Yes, perhaps. Perhaps also the Pacific Ocean has some water and perhaps the sky is above the land and perhaps the Sun rises is the East. Does anyone not think Bloomberg is corrupt? > You can also see how using 'guilt by association' here makes no sense with Oracle if we keep thinking that 'Bloomberg LP is supporting Biden.' But the argument here wasn't guilt by association—that some one was bad because they were associated with someone else that is bad. It was that an action was taken to appeal to Trump by dealing with a firm known to be associated with and presumed to be favored by him. No one is guilty by association in that presentation.
- pjc50 6y ago
  Yes, having a billionaire news magnate buy his way into the Democrat party is also corrupt. (indeed, this is why Trump's "drain the swamp" pitch was so effective, despite being even more corrupt!)