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FYI - this story was supposed to be embargoed and only a few sources are leaking details. So tune in tomorrow (presumably) for some better sources! https://twit

FYI - this story was supposed to be embargoed and only a few sources are leaking details. So tune in tomorrow (presumably) for some better sources! https://twitter.com/starstoofondly/status/1305325850892603394?s=21 https://twitter.com/starstoofondly/status/130532585089260339...

henearkr 6y ago
It ought to be released the 14 September morning, and still nothing: https://ras.ac.uk/news-and-press/latest-news https://ras.ac.uk/news-and-press/latest-news
- aww_dang 6y ago
  Supposedly it should drop at 15:00GMT
  - henearkr 6y ago
    Oh, thanks a lot!!
CyanBird 6y ago
I am sooo incredibly hyped, this is it, it has to be life, no other paths to phosphine without life are known on that scale Also, it is probably panspermia from Eartg too!! Call me dull, but I see 0 chance what so ever that it developed natively. If it were Mars I would have believed it developed naturally... Here? Venus???!!! Panspermia all the way
- henearkr 6y ago
  Venus was much more hospitable in the past. Then it underwent a huge greenhouse effect that turned its atmosphere into a hell. So maybe life could have had time to develop natively before this event, and then would have migrated to the habitable zone of the atmosphere later. Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmosphere_of_Venus#:~:text=It%20is%20speculated%20that%20the,levels%20of%20other%20greenhouse%20gases https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmosphere_of_Venus#:~:text=It....
  - CyanBird 6y ago
    Yeah, I studied Astronomy, so am pretty aware of Venus and it's past, thing is that the planet has a very specific vulcanology which all but rules out big water bodies allowing for the elemental soup required to create the constantly mixing elements for life It would be cool if somehow magically the life detected were native to the planet, but I very, very much doubt it. Panspermia from Earth is the most likely scenario At this point, I fully embrace that the teams doing the research can't find a natural abiotic explainer for the phosphine simply because there isn't one
    - henearkr 6y ago
      But here they say that Venus may have had oceans: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geology_of_Venus#Ancient_liquid_water https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geology_of_Venus#Ancient_liqui... This is from studies ranging from 2007 to 2016, so it's neither really obsolete or too new.
      - CyanBird 6y ago
        Yeah, I am aware of them, but most are entirely theoretical, the most interesting one I saw and it came out while I was studying was one where they used the Galileo to analyze near infrared and from there study the rock composition and they believe they found granite which can only form under large amounts of water. But, I haven't seen studies where that discovery has been corroborated with different methods
        henearkr 6y ago
        Okay, I guess we just need to wait for geological samples to be sure then ^^;
tyho 6y ago
Someone seems to have leaked a video from MIT: https://youtu.be/BBDyp06qp1U https://youtu.be/BBDyp06qp1U

henearkr 6y ago

It ought to be released the 14 September morning, and still nothing: https://ras.ac.uk/news-and-press/latest-news https://ras.ac.uk/news-and-press/latest-news

aww_dang 6y ago
Supposedly it should drop at 15:00GMT
- henearkr 6y ago
  Oh, thanks a lot!!

CyanBird 6y ago

I am sooo incredibly hyped, this is it, it has to be life, no other paths to phosphine without life are known on that scale Also, it is probably panspermia from Eartg too!! Call me dull, but I see 0 chance what so ever that it developed natively. If it were Mars I would have believed it developed naturally... Here? Venus???!!! Panspermia all the way

henearkr 6y ago
Venus was much more hospitable in the past. Then it underwent a huge greenhouse effect that turned its atmosphere into a hell. So maybe life could have had time to develop natively before this event, and then would have migrated to the habitable zone of the atmosphere later. Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmosphere_of_Venus#:~:text=It%20is%20speculated%20that%20the,levels%20of%20other%20greenhouse%20gases https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmosphere_of_Venus#:~:text=It....
- CyanBird 6y ago
  Yeah, I studied Astronomy, so am pretty aware of Venus and it's past, thing is that the planet has a very specific vulcanology which all but rules out big water bodies allowing for the elemental soup required to create the constantly mixing elements for life It would be cool if somehow magically the life detected were native to the planet, but I very, very much doubt it. Panspermia from Earth is the most likely scenario At this point, I fully embrace that the teams doing the research can't find a natural abiotic explainer for the phosphine simply because there isn't one
  - henearkr 6y ago
    But here they say that Venus may have had oceans: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geology_of_Venus#Ancient_liquid_water https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geology_of_Venus#Ancient_liqui... This is from studies ranging from 2007 to 2016, so it's neither really obsolete or too new.
    - CyanBird 6y ago
      Yeah, I am aware of them, but most are entirely theoretical, the most interesting one I saw and it came out while I was studying was one where they used the Galileo to analyze near infrared and from there study the rock composition and they believe they found granite which can only form under large amounts of water. But, I haven't seen studies where that discovery has been corroborated with different methods
      - henearkr 6y ago
        Okay, I guess we just need to wait for geological samples to be sure then ^^;

tyho 6y ago

Someone seems to have leaked a video from MIT: https://youtu.be/BBDyp06qp1U https://youtu.be/BBDyp06qp1U