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This has been going on for at least 20 yeara. Countries move heavy industry to other countries and then point fingers at them for not lowering their emissions.

by bjoli 6y ago

This has been going on for at least 20 yeara. Countries move heavy industry to other countries and then point fingers at them for not lowering their emissions. The stupidity is astounding.

silon42 6y ago
Another case: plastic (non) recycling.
zo1 6y ago
The tighter that regulations squeeze on free-enterprise, the more free-enterprise "fights back" by doing stuff like this. It's the path of least-resistance and the most-profit so of course it'll get exploited.
- Guthur 6y ago
  Nonsense, there is no magic in whether it's free enterprise or government led. At this stage I'm amazed that anyone still believes that national control means universally better outcomes, considering the historical record of such government led activity. What we have here is Goodhart's law in full effect, and it'll happen irrespective of who leds it.
parineum 6y ago
> This has been going on for at least 20 year[s] Waaaaaaaay longer than that. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_trade#/media/File:Droits_de_douane_(France,_UK,_US).png https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_trade#/media/File:Droits_... This is all enabled by free trade and globalization. This is where all those good manufacturing jobs in Detroit/Pittsburgh went.
- Lammy 6y ago
  > This is where all those good manufacturing jobs in Detroit/Pittsburgh went. And then when we look at some demographic information the "why" becomes a lot more clear: - https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/detroitcitymichigan/PST045219 https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/detroitcitymich... - https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/philadelphiacountypennsylvania https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/philadelphiacountypennsylv...
9HZZRfNlpR 6y ago
Where to point then? You have to get manufacturing countries on board with reducing emissions but its hard because the outsourcing benefits them massively economically. What next, point fingers at where when African nations want to build their electrical networks, roads where to burn oil with automobiles? It's a difficult situation to solve, "just install solar" won't cut it.

by bjoli 6y ago

This has been going on for at least 20 yeara. Countries move heavy industry to other countries and then point fingers at them for not lowering their emissions. The stupidity is astounding.

silon42 6y ago

Another case: plastic (non) recycling.

zo1 6y ago

The tighter that regulations squeeze on free-enterprise, the more free-enterprise "fights back" by doing stuff like this. It's the path of least-resistance and the most-profit so of course it'll get exploited.

Guthur 6y ago
Nonsense, there is no magic in whether it's free enterprise or government led. At this stage I'm amazed that anyone still believes that national control means universally better outcomes, considering the historical record of such government led activity. What we have here is Goodhart's law in full effect, and it'll happen irrespective of who leds it.

parineum 6y ago

> This has been going on for at least 20 year[s] Waaaaaaaay longer than that. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_trade#/media/File:Droits_de_douane_(France,_UK,_US).png https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_trade#/media/File:Droits_... This is all enabled by free trade and globalization. This is where all those good manufacturing jobs in Detroit/Pittsburgh went.

Lammy 6y ago
> This is where all those good manufacturing jobs in Detroit/Pittsburgh went. And then when we look at some demographic information the "why" becomes a lot more clear: - https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/detroitcitymichigan/PST045219 https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/detroitcitymich... - https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/philadelphiacountypennsylvania https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/philadelphiacountypennsylv...

9HZZRfNlpR 6y ago

Where to point then? You have to get manufacturing countries on board with reducing emissions but its hard because the outsourcing benefits them massively economically. What next, point fingers at where when African nations want to build their electrical networks, roads where to burn oil with automobiles? It's a difficult situation to solve, "just install solar" won't cut it.