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I think we as humanity will just keep on denying this is happening or that something can be done about it, until in a few (?) decades we'll agree that we're f*c

by tda 6y ago

I think we as humanity will just keep on denying this is happening or that something can be done about it, until in a few (?) decades we'll agree that we're f*cked and that it is all to late and we must blame the people of the past for getting us there. That way we are never personally responsible, but can always look at someone else/some other time.

0x402DF854 6y ago
And oil companies will double down on their lobbying to increase oil production and consumption since we're screwed anyways.
nicbou 6y ago
I feel that on a personal level. You can stop flying, reduce your consumption, sort your trash like your life depends on it etc, only for your next door neighbour to undo all of your work. That's just in Central Europe, where people can afford to care. Go a little further out and you'll see really discouraging scenes. There are many countries where people drive the cars that failed the emissions test in Germany, with the German decals still on them. Recycling does not exist there. You can find towns by the plumes of smoke coming from their burning trash. With more and more people gaining access to a certain living standard, I feel like it's a lost battle. There will be more cars, more consumption. Combine that with the other economical ills of this world, and I really doubt any vanguard efforts will see a reward.
- tuatoru 6y ago
  Still, your own carbon emissions are reduced significantly if you never fly or drive or eat meat. Individually we can only be examples for people to copy.
  - Pfhreak 6y ago
    We can also organize as individuals, become single issue voters, send demands to our politicians at the local, state, and federal level. Maybe it takes too long, but at least it's something besides just individually doing the right thing.
- jolmg 6y ago
  > only for your next door neighbour to undo all of your work. It's not like they're flying and consuming more because of you. They're consuming as they would regardless of you. It's still a net reduction overall, and your contribution is still there.

by tda 6y ago

0x402DF854 6y ago

And oil companies will double down on their lobbying to increase oil production and consumption since we're screwed anyways.

nicbou 6y ago

I feel that on a personal level. You can stop flying, reduce your consumption, sort your trash like your life depends on it etc, only for your next door neighbour to undo all of your work. That's just in Central Europe, where people can afford to care. Go a little further out and you'll see really discouraging scenes. There are many countries where people drive the cars that failed the emissions test in Germany, with the German decals still on them. Recycling does not exist there. You can find towns by the plumes of smoke coming from their burning trash. With more and more people gaining access to a certain living standard, I feel like it's a lost battle. There will be more cars, more consumption. Combine that with the other economical ills of this world, and I really doubt any vanguard efforts will see a reward.

tuatoru 6y ago
Still, your own carbon emissions are reduced significantly if you never fly or drive or eat meat. Individually we can only be examples for people to copy.
- Pfhreak 6y ago
  We can also organize as individuals, become single issue voters, send demands to our politicians at the local, state, and federal level. Maybe it takes too long, but at least it's something besides just individually doing the right thing.
jolmg 6y ago
> only for your next door neighbour to undo all of your work. It's not like they're flying and consuming more because of you. They're consuming as they would regardless of you. It's still a net reduction overall, and your contribution is still there.