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That sounds rather weak - the fact I have not left the country does not imply I have voted for Boris Johnson as PM. Although Trump could then claim that 11M ca

That sounds rather weak - the fact I have not left the country does not imply I have voted for Boris Johnson as PM. Although Trump could then claim that 11M card-less Mexicans who have not left the USA in November were actually voting for him, which would give him California in the Electoral College. In the end I do not see a way to imply someone's vote - one needs to actually count their vote in the normal way. I respect your position but I remain convinced that some form of democracy is needed in corporate life.

zepto 6y ago
You must realize that leaving the country is not even remotely comparable to changing job. My argument may be weak for some other reason but this is not a valid one. It’s also worth mentioning that there are democratic workplaces. They are called cooperatives. Another example: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Lewis_Partnership https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Lewis_Partnership Relevant questions seem to be - why are they not more successful or widespread? Also, have you considered working for one?
- lifeisstillgood 6y ago
  Yes good point on the co-op. Relevant questions seem to be - why are they not more successful or widespread? The co-op store (similar food john lewis) sprang from the mid victorian co-operative movement where different models where tried out by wealthy philanthropists who essentially gave back huge amounts of their wealth to their workers I think that last sentence shows why it is not more widespread - perhaps we simply need to force companies to become co-op/ partnerships at a certain state of growth?
  - zepto 6y ago
    By last sentence - you mean where I ask whether you have considered working for one?
    - lifeisstillgood 6y ago
      Ok second to last :-) But this seems interesting for the actual last sentence https://electricembers.coop//pubs/TechCoopHOWTO.pdf https://electricembers.coop//pubs/TechCoopHOWTO.pdf

zepto 6y ago

You must realize that leaving the country is not even remotely comparable to changing job. My argument may be weak for some other reason but this is not a valid one. It’s also worth mentioning that there are democratic workplaces. They are called cooperatives. Another example: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Lewis_Partnership https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Lewis_Partnership Relevant questions seem to be - why are they not more successful or widespread? Also, have you considered working for one?

lifeisstillgood 6y ago
Yes good point on the co-op. Relevant questions seem to be - why are they not more successful or widespread? The co-op store (similar food john lewis) sprang from the mid victorian co-operative movement where different models where tried out by wealthy philanthropists who essentially gave back huge amounts of their wealth to their workers I think that last sentence shows why it is not more widespread - perhaps we simply need to force companies to become co-op/ partnerships at a certain state of growth?
- zepto 6y ago
  By last sentence - you mean where I ask whether you have considered working for one?
  - lifeisstillgood 6y ago
    Ok second to last :-) But this seems interesting for the actual last sentence https://electricembers.coop//pubs/TechCoopHOWTO.pdf https://electricembers.coop//pubs/TechCoopHOWTO.pdf