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In addition, it's not even a valid argument if the cost was entirely in cash. One would be making the argument, "the cost is essentially free because although

In addition, it's not even a valid argument if the cost was entirely in cash. One would be making the argument, "the cost is essentially free because although we spent $40B, we acquired a company worth $40B". Obviously, that's not any more correct than the case of paying in stock.

HenryBemis 6y ago
Correct, if it's shares, they just dilluted the value of the stock. If I owned 1% of the company, after printing and handing out $40bn worth of stock, then I keep the same amount of stock, but now it's (e.g.) 0.5%, which means I just lost 50% of that investment. Which means I will receive 50% of the dividend (since out of the next year's dividend 'pool' someone will get a big chunk. Which means NVidia just screwed the existing shareholders (for the time being, and once the numbers/$ are merged I should be getting my dividend by two parts, one from ARM and one from NVIDIA). If they gave away cash, that's a different story, it all depends.. if they were sitting on $1tn cash, and the spent $40bn, that's no biggie. I mean we went through COVID, what worse can come next?
- kd5bjo 6y ago
  > If I owned 1% of the company, after printing and handing out $40bn worth of stock, then I keep the same amount of stock, but now it's (e.g.) 0.5%, which means I just lost 50% of that investment. Which means I will receive 50% of the dividend Well, you’re now getting 50% of the dividend produced by the new combined entity. If the deal was correctly priced, your share of the Arm dividend should exactly replace the portion of your Nvidia dividend that you lost through dilution.
- throwaway5792 6y ago
  That's not how equity works. Paying cash or shares, the end result is exactly the same for shareholders barring perhaps some tax implications.
fauigerzigerk 6y ago
I agree that paying in new shares doesn't make the acquisition free. But the value of shares is an expectation of future cash flows. If that expectation is currently on the high side for Nvidia and on the low side for Arm then paying in shares makes the acquisition cheaper for Nvidia than paying cash. Nvidia is essentially telling us that they think their shares are currently richly valued. I agree with that.
- bananaface 6y ago
  Not necessarily. They could just prefer to be diversified. It can be rational to take a loss of value in the pursuit of diversification (depends on the portfolios of the stakeholders). They could also think their shares are valued accurately but believe the benefits of synthesis would increase the value.
  - fauigerzigerk 6y ago
    How would any of that make payment in shares beneficial compared to cash payment?
    - bananaface 6y ago
      $12B cash appears to be all they have available. They can't pay more cash. https://www.marketwatch.com/investing/stock/nvda/financials/balance-sheet https://www.marketwatch.com/investing/stock/nvda/financials/... Their only other option would be taking on debt.
      - fauigerzigerk 6y ago
        Right, so Nvidia with their A2 rating and their solid balance sheet in a rock bottom interest rate environment still found it favourable to purchase Arm with newly issued shares. That's telling us something about what they think about their share valuation right now.
        6y ago
fortran77 6y ago
I pay the car dealer $20,000, I get a car worth $20,000. Was the car free?
- tonitosou 6y ago
  actually as soon as u get the car its not a 20k$ car anymore.
- jaywalk 6y ago
  Technically, yes. Your net worth is unchanged. The problem is that the car is no longer worth $20,000 as soon as you drive it off the lot.

HenryBemis 6y ago

Correct, if it's shares, they just dilluted the value of the stock. If I owned 1% of the company, after printing and handing out $40bn worth of stock, then I keep the same amount of stock, but now it's (e.g.) 0.5%, which means I just lost 50% of that investment. Which means I will receive 50% of the dividend (since out of the next year's dividend 'pool' someone will get a big chunk. Which means NVidia just screwed the existing shareholders (for the time being, and once the numbers/$ are merged I should be getting my dividend by two parts, one from ARM and one from NVIDIA). If they gave away cash, that's a different story, it all depends.. if they were sitting on $1tn cash, and the spent $40bn, that's no biggie. I mean we went through COVID, what worse can come next?

kd5bjo 6y ago
> If I owned 1% of the company, after printing and handing out $40bn worth of stock, then I keep the same amount of stock, but now it's (e.g.) 0.5%, which means I just lost 50% of that investment. Which means I will receive 50% of the dividend Well, you’re now getting 50% of the dividend produced by the new combined entity. If the deal was correctly priced, your share of the Arm dividend should exactly replace the portion of your Nvidia dividend that you lost through dilution.
throwaway5792 6y ago
That's not how equity works. Paying cash or shares, the end result is exactly the same for shareholders barring perhaps some tax implications.

fauigerzigerk 6y ago

I agree that paying in new shares doesn't make the acquisition free. But the value of shares is an expectation of future cash flows. If that expectation is currently on the high side for Nvidia and on the low side for Arm then paying in shares makes the acquisition cheaper for Nvidia than paying cash. Nvidia is essentially telling us that they think their shares are currently richly valued. I agree with that.

bananaface 6y ago
Not necessarily. They could just prefer to be diversified. It can be rational to take a loss of value in the pursuit of diversification (depends on the portfolios of the stakeholders). They could also think their shares are valued accurately but believe the benefits of synthesis would increase the value.
- fauigerzigerk 6y ago
  How would any of that make payment in shares beneficial compared to cash payment?
  - bananaface 6y ago
    $12B cash appears to be all they have available. They can't pay more cash. https://www.marketwatch.com/investing/stock/nvda/financials/balance-sheet https://www.marketwatch.com/investing/stock/nvda/financials/... Their only other option would be taking on debt.
    - fauigerzigerk 6y ago
      Right, so Nvidia with their A2 rating and their solid balance sheet in a rock bottom interest rate environment still found it favourable to purchase Arm with newly issued shares. That's telling us something about what they think about their share valuation right now.
      - 6y ago

fortran77 6y ago

I pay the car dealer $20,000, I get a car worth $20,000. Was the car free?

tonitosou 6y ago
actually as soon as u get the car its not a 20k$ car anymore.
jaywalk 6y ago
Technically, yes. Your net worth is unchanged. The problem is that the car is no longer worth $20,000 as soon as you drive it off the lot.