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I would also agree, the thing is - businesses breakup and come together all the time. If it makes sense and both parties can agree despite of past disagrements

I would also agree, the thing is - businesses breakup and come together all the time. If it makes sense and both parties can agree despite of past disagrements and lawsuits, they will partner. Just because Apple and nVidia has bad relationship at the moment regarding their GPUs is probably orthogonal to what they'll do with this new branch of nVidia, that is ARM.

scarface74 6y ago
What need does Apple have with ARMs R&D going forward? They have their own chip designers, build tools, etc.? True about frenemies the entire time that Apple was suing Samsung, it was using Samsung to manufacture many of its components.
- pas 6y ago
  But if your chip heavily builds on arm's IP you need a license for that at least as long as you can't replace the infringing parts of the design. Which sounds very much impossible if you also want to progress on other aspects of having the best chips.
  - spacedcowboy 6y ago
    Apple uses the ARM ISA. It doesn't use ARM IP - as in, the design of the chip. Apple designed their own damn chip! Since they're not branding it as ARM in any way, shape, or form, and they have a perpetual architectural license to the ISA, I suspect they could do pretty much what they please - as long as they don't call it ARM. Which they don't.
    - pas 6y ago
      During the design were they careful not to create any derivative works of arm IP and/or not to infringe on any of arm's patents?
      - spacedcowboy 6y ago
        Apple co-founded the company. I imagine that they have a right to that IP. Even if not, then yes, I would imagine that a behemoth of IP design like Apple would probably have considered IP rights during that design...
    - floatboth 6y ago
      They definitely call it ARM in developer tools and technical documents.
      - scarface74 6y ago
        I doubt that will be true going forward. They first used the “Apple Silicon” branding for the Mac and yesterday they used the branding for the Watch and iPad (?)
delfinom 6y ago
>Just because Apple and nVidia has bad relationship at the moment regarding their GPUs is probably orthogonal to what they'll do with this new branch of nVidia, that is ARM. Yea, they got fucked by Nvidia business practices multiple times. There's a saying about shame on you, shame on me, etc. Unless the entire Nvidia business unit also gets replaced in the same transaction, it doesn't matter how much of a faux separation of concerns they want to market.

scarface74 6y ago

What need does Apple have with ARMs R&D going forward? They have their own chip designers, build tools, etc.? True about frenemies the entire time that Apple was suing Samsung, it was using Samsung to manufacture many of its components.

pas 6y ago
But if your chip heavily builds on arm's IP you need a license for that at least as long as you can't replace the infringing parts of the design. Which sounds very much impossible if you also want to progress on other aspects of having the best chips.
- spacedcowboy 6y ago
  Apple uses the ARM ISA. It doesn't use ARM IP - as in, the design of the chip. Apple designed their own damn chip! Since they're not branding it as ARM in any way, shape, or form, and they have a perpetual architectural license to the ISA, I suspect they could do pretty much what they please - as long as they don't call it ARM. Which they don't.
  - pas 6y ago
    During the design were they careful not to create any derivative works of arm IP and/or not to infringe on any of arm's patents?
    - spacedcowboy 6y ago
      Apple co-founded the company. I imagine that they have a right to that IP. Even if not, then yes, I would imagine that a behemoth of IP design like Apple would probably have considered IP rights during that design...
  - floatboth 6y ago
    They definitely call it ARM in developer tools and technical documents.
    - scarface74 6y ago
      I doubt that will be true going forward. They first used the “Apple Silicon” branding for the Mac and yesterday they used the branding for the Watch and iPad (?)

delfinom 6y ago

>Just because Apple and nVidia has bad relationship at the moment regarding their GPUs is probably orthogonal to what they'll do with this new branch of nVidia, that is ARM. Yea, they got fucked by Nvidia business practices multiple times. There's a saying about shame on you, shame on me, etc. Unless the entire Nvidia business unit also gets replaced in the same transaction, it doesn't matter how much of a faux separation of concerns they want to market.