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Haven't looked at the rest of your posts, but if this gets flagged, it's probably from this: [Edit: I disagree with my past self of having put this comment her

Haven't looked at the rest of your posts, but if this gets flagged, it's probably from this: [Edit: I disagree with my past self of having put this comment here. This is something that if one feels that they notice, they should probably comment on. Leaving it here for clarity's sake] > The HN algorithm basically encourages an echo chamber of people who gang up and downvote/flag others who don't agree with the gang opinion. or this: > (Psst ... If you see this comment disappear after a while, it's probably because the same Apple fanboys found this comment and decided to hammer it down again.) than this: > criticizing Apple's monopoly and policies Source: Have criticized Apple without having been downvoted and flagged.

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dheera 6y ago
I think it depends on how you criticize them. I've criticized: - The idea that we can trust Apple with privacy, when their OS isn't open source - The idea that the Apple Store is doing good things in the disguise of privacy when they actually play corporate favoritism and unfairly monopolize the app market - The idea that a PIN has enough entropy to be a good measure of security - Right to repair, soldered-to-motherboard SSDs - The environmental waste associated with the lack of upgradability - Price gouging on upgrades ($400 for +512GB, anyone? When I can get 4TB on Amazon for $500?) and lack of user upgradability I've been downvoted to hell for speaking the above. There are a bunch of brainwashed Apple worshippers lurking around here who don't accept any criticism of the holy. I totally welcome engaging in an intelligent discussion about any of the above, but downvotes and flagging (in most cases without any response) doesn't accomplish any of that, and serves just to amplify the fanboy echo chamber. Also, I don't think criticizing HN's algorithm or design should warrant being flagged or downvoted, either. Downvoting should be reserved for trolling, not intelligent protest. I'm also of the opinion that downvotes shouldn't be used for well-written disagreement, as that creates an echo chamber and suppresses non-majority opinions.
- Shared404 6y ago
  > I've been downvoted to hell for speaking the above. Fair enough. I don't think I've ever mentioned Apple by name, just participated in threads about them and commented on how I disagree about how they do some things. I also went and reread some of my comments, and realized I haven't criticized Apple as much here as I'd originally thought. Apparently I mostly stick to that in meatspace. > There are a bunch of brainwashed Apple worshippers lurking around here who don't accept any criticism of the holy. As there are everywhere unfortunately. I haven't run into many here personally, but have no difficulty believing they are here. > Also, I don't think criticizing HN's algorithm or design should warrant being flagged or downvoted, either. Downvoting should be reserved for trolling, not intelligent protest. I'm also of the opinion that downvotes shouldn't be used for well-written disagreement, as that creates an echo chamber and suppresses non-majority opinions. I agree here as well. I was more trying to point out the combative tone then the content of the text. There was also some content that could be interpreted as accusations of shilling, which is technically against the guidelines. To be clear -- I don't think your comment was accusing people of shilling, just that I can see how people could interpret it that way. Edit: The first quote I took from your comment really shouldn't have been there. Sorry about that. I still think if you get flagged it's because of the "(Psst..." part though. That one does come off as a bit aggressive.
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dheera 6y ago

I think it depends on how you criticize them. I've criticized: - The idea that we can trust Apple with privacy, when their OS isn't open source - The idea that the Apple Store is doing good things in the disguise of privacy when they actually play corporate favoritism and unfairly monopolize the app market - The idea that a PIN has enough entropy to be a good measure of security - Right to repair, soldered-to-motherboard SSDs - The environmental waste associated with the lack of upgradability - Price gouging on upgrades ($400 for +512GB, anyone? When I can get 4TB on Amazon for $500?) and lack of user upgradability I've been downvoted to hell for speaking the above. There are a bunch of brainwashed Apple worshippers lurking around here who don't accept any criticism of the holy. I totally welcome engaging in an intelligent discussion about any of the above, but downvotes and flagging (in most cases without any response) doesn't accomplish any of that, and serves just to amplify the fanboy echo chamber. Also, I don't think criticizing HN's algorithm or design should warrant being flagged or downvoted, either. Downvoting should be reserved for trolling, not intelligent protest. I'm also of the opinion that downvotes shouldn't be used for well-written disagreement, as that creates an echo chamber and suppresses non-majority opinions.

Shared404 6y ago
> I've been downvoted to hell for speaking the above. Fair enough. I don't think I've ever mentioned Apple by name, just participated in threads about them and commented on how I disagree about how they do some things. I also went and reread some of my comments, and realized I haven't criticized Apple as much here as I'd originally thought. Apparently I mostly stick to that in meatspace. > There are a bunch of brainwashed Apple worshippers lurking around here who don't accept any criticism of the holy. As there are everywhere unfortunately. I haven't run into many here personally, but have no difficulty believing they are here. > Also, I don't think criticizing HN's algorithm or design should warrant being flagged or downvoted, either. Downvoting should be reserved for trolling, not intelligent protest. I'm also of the opinion that downvotes shouldn't be used for well-written disagreement, as that creates an echo chamber and suppresses non-majority opinions. I agree here as well. I was more trying to point out the combative tone then the content of the text. There was also some content that could be interpreted as accusations of shilling, which is technically against the guidelines. To be clear -- I don't think your comment was accusing people of shilling, just that I can see how people could interpret it that way. Edit: The first quote I took from your comment really shouldn't have been there. Sorry about that. I still think if you get flagged it's because of the "(Psst..." part though. That one does come off as a bit aggressive.
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