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With: 1. The largest public university system in the country (Cal State - 3rd largest on the planet) 2. The absolutely massive UC research machine 3. An esta

With: 1. The largest public university system in the country (Cal State - 3rd largest on the planet) 2. The absolutely massive UC research machine 3. An established, inexpensive feeder system with the California Community Colleges (hello social mobility) 4. Plenty of world-class private universities (Cal Tech, Stanford, Claremont Colleges, Deep Springs) 5. Access to the Cali-Baja industrial cluster (California has a LOT of manufacturing, it's just in the other California) 6. Some insane levels of cultural diversity (many folks from different cultures can feel at home here - more so than say, Oklahoma) 7. Over 7 medical schools 8. Relatively cheap land in the fast-growing Inland Empire and the Antelope Valley (all it needs is a dash of HSR) 9. Massive agriculture in the San Fernando Valley 10. A massive aerospace industry (Antelope Valley - Skunkworks, etc.) 11. The port of Los Angeles is the largest port in the country followed by the second largest port in the country ....Long Beach, 9th largest is Oakland. 12. The San Diego biotech cluster with its ties to UCSD (Celera, which produced the first draft sequence of the human genome was up north in Alameda, California) California is an economic machine with infrastructure no other state in the country can come close to.

almost_usual 6y ago
The central valley is working class Trump country. The mountains are getaways for coastal wealth. You have some minorities that are disadvantaged who clean up after the coastal wealth or farm. Housing is near impossible and stopped at all costs to preserve inequality. If you grew up here you probably had to move, if you have kids here the chances are they won’t be able to afford a home without your help (assuming you’re a home owner). Welcome to California.
- phobosanomaly 6y ago
  You and I might have a different experience of California Housing is actually very available and inexpensive in the inland areas, which are fast-growing (Inland Empire, Antelope Valley, etc.). Cheap housing in places like Palm Springs, plus the influx of coastal money has put a LOT of children of landscapers and restaurant workers, and hotel workers, etc. through the California public university system. California is a sanctuary state with an excellent community college system, so the children of those disadvantaged minorities have a definite shot of transferring to a school like Berkeley, or even a Cal State, which offers an excellent education at a reasonable (in a relative sense) price. The economy in the mountains is BOOMING right now, as that coastal wealth funnels into a myriad of small businesses.
primrose 6y ago
Universities/colleges are about to be disrupted and ironically the tech sector is helping this with online learning. My guess is half of them will go away in the next few decades. Business can and will move. Sure the port is nice. I'm not sure how many jobs are tied to that thou?
- phobosanomaly 6y ago
  University attendance may dip, but with the rock-bottom prices, and incredibly simple transfer articulation agreements with the Cal States and UCs, I expect to see the community colleges pick up the slack. That's what the CCs were originally intended for anyway. First two years, then transfer to a UC. All of the quality, none of the sticker price. California Community Colleges already enroll over 2.1 million students. That's more than the population of the state of Idaho. Port infrastructure is widely documented as a key driver of economic growth. https://jshippingandtrade.springeropen.com/articles/10.1186/s41072-018-0027-0 https://jshippingandtrade.springeropen.com/articles/10.1186/... The port of Los Angeles alone offers direct employment to 1.6 million people worldwide. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_of_Los_Angeles https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_of_Los_Angeles That's over double the population of the state of Wyoming.
  - primrose 6y ago
    > 1.6 million people worldwide How many of the 1.6 million need to live here in LA? > University attendance may dip, but with the rock-bottom prices You can't compete with online prices if you have brick and mortar, hence Amazon. I would argue some disciplines still need shared spaces like medicine but even then, a lot of the learning could be done online. Uni's competitive advantage has been certification. There are now better ways to track a candidates fit for employment that also don't require deviations into non-career focused learning like art, literature or history. These classes are not meritless, they just don't help employment. I don't believe rock bottom prices will save the onslaught to come.
    - phobosanomaly 6y ago
      529,000 people. Still more than the population of Wyoming. I suppose neither of us has a crystal ball. We'll just have to see what happens in 20 years. How do you think a model would operate for university-level instruction that would both prepare kids for employment, offer a competitive level of socialization, collaborative problem-solving experience in multiple fields, and generalized knowledge so they don't turn into pigeon-holed hyperspecialists? How do you expose kids to a wide-enough variety of things that they are able to discover something they truly want to do for the rest of their life? How will you ensure that a university-degree doesn't remain a symbol of status? Basically, how do you go from University of Phoenix, to what you are describing?

almost_usual 6y ago

The central valley is working class Trump country. The mountains are getaways for coastal wealth. You have some minorities that are disadvantaged who clean up after the coastal wealth or farm. Housing is near impossible and stopped at all costs to preserve inequality. If you grew up here you probably had to move, if you have kids here the chances are they won’t be able to afford a home without your help (assuming you’re a home owner). Welcome to California.

phobosanomaly 6y ago
You and I might have a different experience of California Housing is actually very available and inexpensive in the inland areas, which are fast-growing (Inland Empire, Antelope Valley, etc.). Cheap housing in places like Palm Springs, plus the influx of coastal money has put a LOT of children of landscapers and restaurant workers, and hotel workers, etc. through the California public university system. California is a sanctuary state with an excellent community college system, so the children of those disadvantaged minorities have a definite shot of transferring to a school like Berkeley, or even a Cal State, which offers an excellent education at a reasonable (in a relative sense) price. The economy in the mountains is BOOMING right now, as that coastal wealth funnels into a myriad of small businesses.

primrose 6y ago

Universities/colleges are about to be disrupted and ironically the tech sector is helping this with online learning. My guess is half of them will go away in the next few decades. Business can and will move. Sure the port is nice. I'm not sure how many jobs are tied to that thou?

phobosanomaly 6y ago
University attendance may dip, but with the rock-bottom prices, and incredibly simple transfer articulation agreements with the Cal States and UCs, I expect to see the community colleges pick up the slack. That's what the CCs were originally intended for anyway. First two years, then transfer to a UC. All of the quality, none of the sticker price. California Community Colleges already enroll over 2.1 million students. That's more than the population of the state of Idaho. Port infrastructure is widely documented as a key driver of economic growth. https://jshippingandtrade.springeropen.com/articles/10.1186/s41072-018-0027-0 https://jshippingandtrade.springeropen.com/articles/10.1186/... The port of Los Angeles alone offers direct employment to 1.6 million people worldwide. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_of_Los_Angeles https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_of_Los_Angeles That's over double the population of the state of Wyoming.
- primrose 6y ago
  > 1.6 million people worldwide How many of the 1.6 million need to live here in LA? > University attendance may dip, but with the rock-bottom prices You can't compete with online prices if you have brick and mortar, hence Amazon. I would argue some disciplines still need shared spaces like medicine but even then, a lot of the learning could be done online. Uni's competitive advantage has been certification. There are now better ways to track a candidates fit for employment that also don't require deviations into non-career focused learning like art, literature or history. These classes are not meritless, they just don't help employment. I don't believe rock bottom prices will save the onslaught to come.
  - phobosanomaly 6y ago
    529,000 people. Still more than the population of Wyoming. I suppose neither of us has a crystal ball. We'll just have to see what happens in 20 years. How do you think a model would operate for university-level instruction that would both prepare kids for employment, offer a competitive level of socialization, collaborative problem-solving experience in multiple fields, and generalized knowledge so they don't turn into pigeon-holed hyperspecialists? How do you expose kids to a wide-enough variety of things that they are able to discover something they truly want to do for the rest of their life? How will you ensure that a university-degree doesn't remain a symbol of status? Basically, how do you go from University of Phoenix, to what you are describing?