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That's hilarious, really. In my experience if you want to kill a company have Oracle acquire it. (that may be a bit too cynical)
by ChuckMcM 6y ago
That's hilarious, really. In my experience if you want to kill a company have Oracle acquire it. (that may be a bit too cynical)
- yjftsjthsd-h 6y ago> (that may be a bit too cynical) "You actually don't need to be open-minded about Oracle, you are wasting the openness of your mind [...] As you know people, as you learn about things, you realize that these generalizations we have are, virtually to a generalization, false. Well, except for this one, as it turns out. What you think of Oracle, is even truer than you think it is. There has been no entity in human history with less complexity or nuance to it than Oracle." - Bryan Cantrill, https://youtu.be/-zRN7XLCRhc?t=2046 https://youtu.be/-zRN7XLCRhc?t=2046
- closeparen 6y ago“Do not make the mistake of anthropomorphizing Larry Ellison.”
- konjin 6y agoWhat's more human than wanting to make as much money as possible for the least amount of work?
- holografix 6y agoThat made me lol in a bathroom cubicle.
- oxygenjoe 6y agoHonestly I would take that oracle job described above in a heartbeat
- kohtatsu 6y agoMy favourite humans see money as a means to an end.
- ece 6y ago“Computers aren’t the thing. They’re the thing that gets us to the thing.” - Halt and Catch Fire
- HeWhoLurksLate 6y agoOne of my favorite YouTubers is Rob Dahm because of that exact reason.
- rhengles 6y agoThis is one of those comments that I think there should be a wall of fame for it to be displayed. Another one I'm reminded of is this one[0]. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8279606 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8279606
- kohtatsu 6y agoYou can favourite comments for people to see them in your profile. Click on the time of the comment for the link to appear.
- zaroth 6y agoSomeone did this for posts last week (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24351073 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24351073) but I don't know if there would be enough overlap to do it for comments.
- yesbabyyes 6y agoIIRC, one of HN's most favorite comments is the one describing the experience of developing the Oracle database.
- yesbabyyes 6y agoHere is the list of the most favorited comments on HN as compiled by 'dang: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24360449 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24360449
- yjftsjthsd-h 6y agoProbably this one, then: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18442941 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18442941
- burtonator 6y agoOracle acquired two of our customers. Within 2 years they were both dead. Meanwhile every other company in the same industry was thriving. Oracle is where things go to die. RIP TikTok.
- chris_wot 6y agoI was getting concerned my kids were spending too much time on TikTok. I guess that problem is solved now.
- psanford 6y agoDo children not enjoy software license audits?
- kevin_thibedeau 6y agoThey're just playing the long game. This is the indoctrination to produce future middle managers that will choose Oracle products.
- sk5t 6y agoPerhaps the children's audit problems can be overlooked if they would like to purchase some nearly-usable HR management or accountancy software at this time.
- rodgerd 6y agoAn Oracle salesman once regaled me with tales of the "Larry Bonuses" that were payoffs issued to staff sexually harassed by the boss. He seemed to find it hilarious. I was underwhelmed - I have no idea if Ellison is a serial sexual harasser, but the fact that senior sales staff find the idea hilarious and laudable says that maybe you should be worried about what Oracle staff would do with access to information about teenagers.
- sudosysgen 6y agoTikTok will be fine. They will continue existing in every single other country.
- microcolonel 6y agoBryan is brilliant, but he misses the mark on generalizations. Popular generalizations are actually pretty accurate.
- yjftsjthsd-h 6y agoPossibly on a macro scale, rarely on a micro scale.
- Guthur 6y agoIf you are generalising on the micro scale you're definitely doing it wrong :)
- yjftsjthsd-h 6y agoI mean, yeah, but it's a super common bug in humans, who frequently want to translate between scales incorrectly (hence law of large/small numbers gambling errors, some kinds of discrimination/prejudice, bad generalizations, being upset when a 90% likely event doesn't happen, etc.)
- snowmaker 6y agoWow, this video about Oracle is a must-watch. I was in fits of laughter.
- jennyyang 6y agoAs far back as 15 years ago, Oracle had the reputation of being the company where people would come to work, close their office door, and then work on a second job or side project in peace and quiet. Oracle was/is powered by zero innovation and all enterprise sales. I thought the idea of Microsoft buying TikTok was funny, but I couldn't think of a company more effective to dismantle TikTok than Oracle.
- nordsieck 6y ago> I thought the idea of Microsoft buying TikTok was funny You're not wrong - it is a little funny. But on the other hand, they have been running LinkedIn (and Github!) pretty successfully, so it's not that ridiculous.
- rabidrat 6y agoLinkedIn and Github are not TikTok :)
- sirspacey 6y agoTrue, but they have both operated independently & incredibly successfully with full support from Microsoft’s leadership. If TikTok had a future, it was at Microsoft.
- cwyers 6y agoAnd Microsoft has a pretty successful consumer products division -- not the cash cow that enterprise sales are to them, but they do have consumer products. Including the Xbox division, which targets a lot of the market that TikTok does. Exactly what direct-to-consumer business targeting people in their teens/early 20s does Oracle have?
- ethbr0 6y ago> Exactly what direct-to-consumer business targeting people in their teens/early 20s does Oracle have? Ah, but therein lies the genius of the purchase. In 40 years, the current TikTok userbase will be technology-hating, risk-adverse VPs -- a prime Oracle demographic. They're just getting in early.
- zxcvbn4038 6y agoNo, that is pretty much accurate. Their flagship database is outstanding, worth every penny, the one to beat. However everything else they touch just wilts and dies. They don’t just have a black thumb, they have eleven of them. They killed Sun, Solaris, libdb (remember sleepycat software?), Java, and would have killed mysql if it didn’t fork. They are the bane of anyone looking for a job that encounters their horrid candidate management software. Forget COVID, murder hornets, and global warming - my nightmare is that one day Richard Hipp retires or falls ill and Oracle takes over SQLite.
- throwawaynothx 6y agoIan Murdock, one of the creators of debian even resigned once sun was acquired by Oracle.
- mastazi 6y agoRegarding the MySQL forks, what is the story? Do you mean MariaDB, or some other fork that I'm not aware of? Honestly I'm surprised at how MySQL managed to survive... Among all those other products that you mentioned, I would have thought it would be the first to die, because some people at Oracle might see it as a competitor of Oracle DB.
- paulryanrogers 6y agoMySQL success is a mix of momentum, innovation in forks being backported, and a strategic focus on InnoDB at the expense of all other engines. I'd say they are doing a mediocre job on the whole. But I may just be bitter over recent bugs like renaming a table crashing the server.
- awill 6y agodidn't Redhat remove MySql from RHEL7 and replace with MariaDB, only to add it back (in addition to Maria) in RHEL8? Any ideas why?
- neurostimulant 6y agoIIRC are several forks of MySQL other than MariaDB, such as Percona.
- Firebrand 6y ago>Oracle is set to be announced as TikTok’s “trusted tech partner” in the U.S., and the deal is likely not to be structured as an outright sale, the person said. Bytedance isn’t actually selling TikTok, and the White House gets its win.
- gruez 6y agoSounds like "joint ventures" that western companies are forced to have in China.
- sunkenvicar 6y agoExactly right. America is levelling the playing field with China.
- sk5t 6y agoExcept in that case, China expects and demands access to virtually everything of any value whatsoever.
- spullara 6y agoI'd say they have been successful with a lot of their acquisitions: BEA, PeopleSoft, Seibel, and many more. Also, I think they have been a better steward of Java than Solaris had been since Java 6. https://www.oracle.com/corporate/acquisitions/ https://www.oracle.com/corporate/acquisitions/
- yjftsjthsd-h 6y ago> Also, I think they have been a better steward of Java than Solaris had been since Java 6. Sun (the company), not Solaris (the OS). But yeah, Java has done relatively well.
- sk5t 6y agoWho is using BEA software now? How is Siebel faring against SFDC? (I honestly don't know, wishing to have nothing to do with either.) Peoplesoft was pretty entrenched when Oracle bought it, and the state of other options in that field remains pretty grim.
- tluyben2 6y agoAll our clients (some with massive deployments for the time) dropped Weblogic and other BEA products the moment of the acquisition. Where did they do well?
- tyingq 6y agoOn the other hand, when I think fun, young, quirky, etc...my mind goes right to Oracle.
- siruncledrew 6y agoPart of me reads this as ByteDance China getting the last laugh in the game by essentially selling to the least qualified buyer.
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- briandear 6y agoI don’t know. Netsuite, while a very complicated piece of software, has thrived under Oracle. It’s one of the most powerful ERPs in existence.
- CaptainZapp 6y agoNo it's not. Anybody remember PeopleSoft?
- baron816 6y agoI wonder if there was some deal China made with Zhang Yiming to have ByteDance take a worse offer from Oracle, knowing Oracle would end up killing it.