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Oh come on, half of the world (US included) was colonized and optimized for resource extraction, mostly because of how far ahead British manufacturing was at th

Oh come on, half of the world (US included) was colonized and optimized for resource extraction, mostly because of how far ahead British manufacturing was at the time. India as been independent for a while now, just own the half-bakedness already.

abalaji 6y ago
I would posit that the level of exploitation of the Indian population paled in comparison to the colonies. [citation needed] But, you are right in a sense.
- felipelemos 6y ago
  Everything south of United States had the same or if not worse level of exploitation as a European colony. I sort of agree with parent poster, specially because most of these countries are independent for a bit longer and maybe because of that they tend to blame less the colonization (but blame still), but also because keep blaming the past (even when it is true) holds you to look forward.
  - renewiltord 6y ago
    Interestingly, don't most poor parts of the world have some such stereotype? Like, if you Google any of the following you'll get exactly what you expect from any of these (they clearly espouse identical beliefs): * https://www.google.com/search?tbm=isch&as_q=jugaad%20engineering https://www.google.com/search?tbm=isch&as_q=jugaad%20enginee... * https://www.google.com/search?tbm=isch&as_q=hillbilly%20engineering https://www.google.com/search?tbm=isch&as_q=hillbilly%20engi... * https://www.google.com/search?tbm=isch&as_q=mexican%20engineering https://www.google.com/search?tbm=isch&as_q=mexican%20engine... Though I couldn't find an equivalent 'Brazilian' or 'Somali' so I wonder what the terms are in those places or if they have no such terms, what they do instead. I think it's just what you get when you constrain resources but tooling gives you a great boost and safety is less costly.
    - jojobas 6y ago
      There are kludges everywhere, but few companies make kludges part of their core values, except Jugaad apparently.
  - quadrifoliate 6y ago
    > Everything south of United States had the same or if not worse level of exploitation as a European colony. Every large country south of the United States (certainly anything approaching the size of India) has been independent for at least 100 more years than India [1]. India gained independence in 1947. There are plenty of people alive in India today who were born as British subjects. You did refer to this in the sense of "...most of these countries are independent for a bit longer"; I happen to think the difference is significant. That being said, I did say "we should let bygones be bygones" in my comment, and share your attitude about moving forward. But part of moving forward is defining your own identity. The point I want to make is that jugaad has causes and not very pleasant ones; and that Indians should not embrace the stereotype thrust upon them by breathless news articles that just discovered a word for "hack" in a new language. This...should not be controversial. ----------------- [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decolonization_of_the_Americas#/media/File:Americas_independence_map.PNG https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decolonization_of_the_Americas...
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howlgarnish 6y ago
...and isn't jugaad more a reaction to Gandhi-era command economy/license Raj, when imports were heavily restricted, shoddy goods had no competition and getting anything done through official channels took forever?
- filleduchaos 6y ago
  Out of curiosity, what period of Indian history do you think Gandhi was alive in?
  - jojobas 6y ago
    Surely he means Indira Ghandi?
    - filleduchaos 6y ago
      Oh right - I think I was thrown by the "Gandhi era" (usually used in reference to the twenties/early thirties)
    - triceratops 6y ago
      Gandhi, not "Ghandi" (I blame the early installments of the Civilization game series for this misconception).
vivekseth 6y ago
India has only been independent since 1943.
- rudiv 6y ago
  Are you talking about Bose's government? Ceremionally and legally, it's 1947, surely.
- quadrifoliate 6y ago
  Close, 1947. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independence_Day_(India) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independence_Day_(India)
  - vivekseth 6y ago
    Ah sorry, typo

abalaji 6y ago

I would posit that the level of exploitation of the Indian population paled in comparison to the colonies. [citation needed] But, you are right in a sense.

felipelemos 6y ago
Everything south of United States had the same or if not worse level of exploitation as a European colony. I sort of agree with parent poster, specially because most of these countries are independent for a bit longer and maybe because of that they tend to blame less the colonization (but blame still), but also because keep blaming the past (even when it is true) holds you to look forward.
- renewiltord 6y ago
  Interestingly, don't most poor parts of the world have some such stereotype? Like, if you Google any of the following you'll get exactly what you expect from any of these (they clearly espouse identical beliefs): * https://www.google.com/search?tbm=isch&as_q=jugaad%20engineering https://www.google.com/search?tbm=isch&as_q=jugaad%20enginee... * https://www.google.com/search?tbm=isch&as_q=hillbilly%20engineering https://www.google.com/search?tbm=isch&as_q=hillbilly%20engi... * https://www.google.com/search?tbm=isch&as_q=mexican%20engineering https://www.google.com/search?tbm=isch&as_q=mexican%20engine... Though I couldn't find an equivalent 'Brazilian' or 'Somali' so I wonder what the terms are in those places or if they have no such terms, what they do instead. I think it's just what you get when you constrain resources but tooling gives you a great boost and safety is less costly.
  - jojobas 6y ago
    There are kludges everywhere, but few companies make kludges part of their core values, except Jugaad apparently.
- quadrifoliate 6y ago
  > Everything south of United States had the same or if not worse level of exploitation as a European colony. Every large country south of the United States (certainly anything approaching the size of India) has been independent for at least 100 more years than India [1]. India gained independence in 1947. There are plenty of people alive in India today who were born as British subjects. You did refer to this in the sense of "...most of these countries are independent for a bit longer"; I happen to think the difference is significant. That being said, I did say "we should let bygones be bygones" in my comment, and share your attitude about moving forward. But part of moving forward is defining your own identity. The point I want to make is that jugaad has causes and not very pleasant ones; and that Indians should not embrace the stereotype thrust upon them by breathless news articles that just discovered a word for "hack" in a new language. This...should not be controversial. ----------------- [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decolonization_of_the_Americas#/media/File:Americas_independence_map.PNG https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decolonization_of_the_Americas...
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howlgarnish 6y ago

...and isn't jugaad more a reaction to Gandhi-era command economy/license Raj, when imports were heavily restricted, shoddy goods had no competition and getting anything done through official channels took forever?

filleduchaos 6y ago
Out of curiosity, what period of Indian history do you think Gandhi was alive in?
- jojobas 6y ago
  Surely he means Indira Ghandi?
  - filleduchaos 6y ago
    Oh right - I think I was thrown by the "Gandhi era" (usually used in reference to the twenties/early thirties)
  - triceratops 6y ago
    Gandhi, not "Ghandi" (I blame the early installments of the Civilization game series for this misconception).

vivekseth 6y ago

India has only been independent since 1943.

rudiv 6y ago
Are you talking about Bose's government? Ceremionally and legally, it's 1947, surely.
quadrifoliate 6y ago
Close, 1947. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independence_Day_(India) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independence_Day_(India)
- vivekseth 6y ago
  Ah sorry, typo