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>being forced to improvise with limited to no support from communities, schools, or governments. Everyone is trying to figure out how to continue life during t

>being forced to improvise with limited to no support from communities, schools, or governments. Everyone is trying to figure out how to continue life during this pandemic. Why would you expect all levels to have this figured out?

JadeNB 6y ago
> >being forced to improvise with limited to no support from communities, schools, or governments. > Everyone is trying to figure out how to continue life during this pandemic. Why would you expect all levels to have this figured out? There's a big difference between, on one hand, complaining "why haven't communities, schools, and governments figured this all out?", which would be a ridiculous complaint and which no-one is making; and, on the other hand, observing that communities, schools, and governments have collectively thrown up their hands and declared that it's all the teacher's responsibility, which is a real and justified complaint.
- macspoofing 6y ago
  >and declared that it's all the teacher's responsibility, which is a real and justified complaint. Is it a real complaint? I don't see anybody claiming it's all the teacher's responsibility. I don't see that from the parents, or school board, or any government of any level.
  - JadeNB 6y ago
    > > and declared that it's all the teacher's responsibility, which is a real and justified complaint. > Is it a real complaint? I don't see anybody claiming it's all the teacher's responsibility. I don't see that from the parents, or school board, or any government of any level. No indeed, it is usually not stated explicitly, just as racism and sexism often are not. But few to no resources are given to teachers, and the first port of call for governmeents, school administrators, and parents looking to apportion blame is teachers, so the effect is the same, even if no one explicitly acknowledges it.
    - macspoofing 6y ago
      To be clear. Nobody is actually saying that it is "all the teacher's responsibility". Similarly, I don't see any evidence that "governments have collectively thrown up their hands" ... in fact the opposite is the case. Local governments have spent inordinate amount of resources equipping students with laptops and software, as well as adjusting processes and policies to facilitate remote learning during this pandemic, and they've done it in a record short amount of time (which isn't easy for big monolithic organizations - which usually need months or years of lead up to make drastic changes like the ones we've seen them make). I think a little credit and understanding is due to all the people working at all levels of government, including teachers and school boards, for trying to do their best in an unprecedented, unplanned situation. Having said that, I'm sure there are parents that complain about this, that or another thing, but those parents will always complain about everything. >and the first port of call for governmeents, school administrators, and parents looking to apportion blame is teachers I don't see that happening with respect to the pandemic response at all. I agree this happens with education standards in general and it is a pet-peeve of mine when it does happen. The reality is that if students fail, it's never the teacher, and in fact, it isn't even the school. It's always the parents. Always. If the parents don't enforce education standards and make sure their children don't fail, then there is very little that schools and teachers can do.

JadeNB 6y ago

> >being forced to improvise with limited to no support from communities, schools, or governments. > Everyone is trying to figure out how to continue life during this pandemic. Why would you expect all levels to have this figured out? There's a big difference between, on one hand, complaining "why haven't communities, schools, and governments figured this all out?", which would be a ridiculous complaint and which no-one is making; and, on the other hand, observing that communities, schools, and governments have collectively thrown up their hands and declared that it's all the teacher's responsibility, which is a real and justified complaint.

macspoofing 6y ago
>and declared that it's all the teacher's responsibility, which is a real and justified complaint. Is it a real complaint? I don't see anybody claiming it's all the teacher's responsibility. I don't see that from the parents, or school board, or any government of any level.
- JadeNB 6y ago
  > > and declared that it's all the teacher's responsibility, which is a real and justified complaint. > Is it a real complaint? I don't see anybody claiming it's all the teacher's responsibility. I don't see that from the parents, or school board, or any government of any level. No indeed, it is usually not stated explicitly, just as racism and sexism often are not. But few to no resources are given to teachers, and the first port of call for governmeents, school administrators, and parents looking to apportion blame is teachers, so the effect is the same, even if no one explicitly acknowledges it.
  - macspoofing 6y ago
    To be clear. Nobody is actually saying that it is "all the teacher's responsibility". Similarly, I don't see any evidence that "governments have collectively thrown up their hands" ... in fact the opposite is the case. Local governments have spent inordinate amount of resources equipping students with laptops and software, as well as adjusting processes and policies to facilitate remote learning during this pandemic, and they've done it in a record short amount of time (which isn't easy for big monolithic organizations - which usually need months or years of lead up to make drastic changes like the ones we've seen them make). I think a little credit and understanding is due to all the people working at all levels of government, including teachers and school boards, for trying to do their best in an unprecedented, unplanned situation. Having said that, I'm sure there are parents that complain about this, that or another thing, but those parents will always complain about everything. >and the first port of call for governmeents, school administrators, and parents looking to apportion blame is teachers I don't see that happening with respect to the pandemic response at all. I agree this happens with education standards in general and it is a pet-peeve of mine when it does happen. The reality is that if students fail, it's never the teacher, and in fact, it isn't even the school. It's always the parents. Always. If the parents don't enforce education standards and make sure their children don't fail, then there is very little that schools and teachers can do.