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It will be great to have more players in the smart phone OS domain so I hope this makes it big. On the other hand, the downside of taking the security and priva

It will be great to have more players in the smart phone OS domain so I hope this makes it big. On the other hand, the downside of taking the security and privacy of your phone into your own hands, is that ... you’ve taken the security and privacy of the phone into your own hands. I’m happy to pay Apple to do it for me because my phone is nowhere near my main or most important computing device and I also quite like that they poke google and Facebook in the eye from time to time. Sure, Apple is just a profit driven enterprise like the rest but their business model is directly related to keeping users happy at least for some value of users and happy. The only downside for me is that I can’t write an app for my device because I haven’t bought into the Apple computer ecosystem.

29083011397778 6y ago
> I’m happy to pay Apple to do it for me because my phone is nowhere near my main or most important computing device But for millions, their mobile device is their main or most important device, whether it runs iOS, iPadOS, or Android. It can be their main device, with one example being Apple's divisive "What's a computer" ad. Another example is those that rely on mobile, due either to cost or lack of physical space for a desktop or laptop. For others, their mobile is the most important, likely because that's where all their messages, contacts, location history, and more, resides.
- nodamage 6y ago
  > For others, their mobile is the most important, likely because that's where all their messages, contacts, location history, and more, resides. Indeed. And some of those people value the security and privacy of that data and want to reduce the risk of having it stolen by malware and rogue apps, so they intentionally buy into an ecosystem that enforces strict controls on what apps can run on their devices.
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Polylactic_acid 6y ago
That last one is big for me. I like using an iphone and I have an idea for a nice app but I do not like macbooks. I have tried them a few times and just do not like macos as much as linux. Now I can't work on my app idea because apples policy is you buy all apple products or things just don't work properly anymore.
- threeseed 6y ago
  You can could develop with React Native and use a Mac VPS to do the final build. Not sure what you want from Apple here. Is it to port their entire iOS/OSX SDK to Linux just to support the 0.000001% of users who would want to develop that way.
  - Polylactic_acid 6y ago
    Yes, Google manages it just fine and people programming on linux is not exactly a non existent group. I'd even be happy with a windows toolkit since I can at least use my existing desktop for it.
  - Tade0 6y ago
    I think the number of developers who would rather not buy a $1000+ machine just so they can develop an app for this system is much greater. I for one am one of them. Also the annual $99 fee only adds insult to injury.
  - danShumway 6y ago
    > to Linux just to support the 0.000001% of users Because Windows users don't ever want to write iOS apps? Particularly game devs, who are primarily using Windows computers to develop games because Windows PC is their largest market? None of those people would like to develop iOS games without switching to an entirely new OS? > Not sure what you want from Apple here Open up their SDK to the point where communities like Linux can realistically set up their own build tools or emulators. Don't sue people who are providing iPhone emulator access[0]; instead create code/SDK licensing opportunities for companies to ship these environments to customers/developers without running afoul of copyright laws. I lose sympathy for companies claiming "this is too hard", when they're going out of their way to make the problem harder for other people to solve. I don't know why we're pretending that there's anyone at Apple thinking, "wow, I'd love to make it easy for Windows/Linux devs to target iOS, but it's just too hard for me to engineer." We know that's not really happening, we know that Apple's management is very happy to force developers to buy Macs, we know that's a status quo that Apple has every incentive to reinforce at every opportunity. [0]: https://venturebeat.com/2019/08/16/apples-corellium-lawsuit-is-a-direct-attack-on-ios-emulation/ https://venturebeat.com/2019/08/16/apples-corellium-lawsuit-...
ghostpepper 6y ago
> I’m happy to pay Apple to do it for me because my phone is nowhere near my main or most important computing device It seems a lot of people are happy to pay Apple to assume that role for their main computing device too.

29083011397778 6y ago

> I’m happy to pay Apple to do it for me because my phone is nowhere near my main or most important computing device But for millions, their mobile device is their main or most important device, whether it runs iOS, iPadOS, or Android. It can be their main device, with one example being Apple's divisive "What's a computer" ad. Another example is those that rely on mobile, due either to cost or lack of physical space for a desktop or laptop. For others, their mobile is the most important, likely because that's where all their messages, contacts, location history, and more, resides.

nodamage 6y ago
> For others, their mobile is the most important, likely because that's where all their messages, contacts, location history, and more, resides. Indeed. And some of those people value the security and privacy of that data and want to reduce the risk of having it stolen by malware and rogue apps, so they intentionally buy into an ecosystem that enforces strict controls on what apps can run on their devices.
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Polylactic_acid 6y ago

That last one is big for me. I like using an iphone and I have an idea for a nice app but I do not like macbooks. I have tried them a few times and just do not like macos as much as linux. Now I can't work on my app idea because apples policy is you buy all apple products or things just don't work properly anymore.

threeseed 6y ago
You can could develop with React Native and use a Mac VPS to do the final build. Not sure what you want from Apple here. Is it to port their entire iOS/OSX SDK to Linux just to support the 0.000001% of users who would want to develop that way.
- Polylactic_acid 6y ago
  Yes, Google manages it just fine and people programming on linux is not exactly a non existent group. I'd even be happy with a windows toolkit since I can at least use my existing desktop for it.
- Tade0 6y ago
  I think the number of developers who would rather not buy a $1000+ machine just so they can develop an app for this system is much greater. I for one am one of them. Also the annual $99 fee only adds insult to injury.
- danShumway 6y ago
  > to Linux just to support the 0.000001% of users Because Windows users don't ever want to write iOS apps? Particularly game devs, who are primarily using Windows computers to develop games because Windows PC is their largest market? None of those people would like to develop iOS games without switching to an entirely new OS? > Not sure what you want from Apple here Open up their SDK to the point where communities like Linux can realistically set up their own build tools or emulators. Don't sue people who are providing iPhone emulator access[0]; instead create code/SDK licensing opportunities for companies to ship these environments to customers/developers without running afoul of copyright laws. I lose sympathy for companies claiming "this is too hard", when they're going out of their way to make the problem harder for other people to solve. I don't know why we're pretending that there's anyone at Apple thinking, "wow, I'd love to make it easy for Windows/Linux devs to target iOS, but it's just too hard for me to engineer." We know that's not really happening, we know that Apple's management is very happy to force developers to buy Macs, we know that's a status quo that Apple has every incentive to reinforce at every opportunity. [0]: https://venturebeat.com/2019/08/16/apples-corellium-lawsuit-is-a-direct-attack-on-ios-emulation/ https://venturebeat.com/2019/08/16/apples-corellium-lawsuit-...

ghostpepper 6y ago

> I’m happy to pay Apple to do it for me because my phone is nowhere near my main or most important computing device It seems a lot of people are happy to pay Apple to assume that role for their main computing device too.