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As a brit I have recently learnt to be wary of direct democracy (ala referendums) but frankly I will take any form of democracy as a bastion against the mono-cu

As a brit I have recently learnt to be wary of direct democracy (ala referendums) but frankly I will take any form of democracy as a bastion against the mono-culture. Perhaps we can take heart from the media - https://www.ft.com/content/afe3386e-d3bb-11e4-a9d3-00144feab7de https://www.ft.com/content/afe3386e-d3bb-11e4-a9d3-00144feab... - The Guardian's editor was appointed following an indicative vote from staff. But I would suspect that appointed leaders and elected policies will be a much easier sell than the other way round. Any leader can happily say they always agreed with a policy forced on them. It's much harder to say you agree with them firing you. And I shall have to do some more research. Thank you for pushing

zepto 6y ago
One argument would be that working for a business and not finding another job is inherently vote for the leadership.
- lifeisstillgood 6y ago
  That sounds rather weak - the fact I have not left the country does not imply I have voted for Boris Johnson as PM. Although Trump could then claim that 11M card-less Mexicans who have not left the USA in November were actually voting for him, which would give him California in the Electoral College. In the end I do not see a way to imply someone's vote - one needs to actually count their vote in the normal way. I respect your position but I remain convinced that some form of democracy is needed in corporate life.
  - zepto 6y ago
    You must realize that leaving the country is not even remotely comparable to changing job. My argument may be weak for some other reason but this is not a valid one. It’s also worth mentioning that there are democratic workplaces. They are called cooperatives. Another example: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Lewis_Partnership https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Lewis_Partnership Relevant questions seem to be - why are they not more successful or widespread? Also, have you considered working for one?
    - lifeisstillgood 6y ago
      Yes good point on the co-op. Relevant questions seem to be - why are they not more successful or widespread? The co-op store (similar food john lewis) sprang from the mid victorian co-operative movement where different models where tried out by wealthy philanthropists who essentially gave back huge amounts of their wealth to their workers I think that last sentence shows why it is not more widespread - perhaps we simply need to force companies to become co-op/ partnerships at a certain state of growth?
      - zepto 6y ago
        By last sentence - you mean where I ask whether you have considered working for one?
        lifeisstillgood 6y ago
        Ok second to last :-) But this seems interesting for the actual last sentence https://electricembers.coop//pubs/TechCoopHOWTO.pdf https://electricembers.coop//pubs/TechCoopHOWTO.pdf

zepto 6y ago

One argument would be that working for a business and not finding another job is inherently vote for the leadership.

lifeisstillgood 6y ago
That sounds rather weak - the fact I have not left the country does not imply I have voted for Boris Johnson as PM. Although Trump could then claim that 11M card-less Mexicans who have not left the USA in November were actually voting for him, which would give him California in the Electoral College. In the end I do not see a way to imply someone's vote - one needs to actually count their vote in the normal way. I respect your position but I remain convinced that some form of democracy is needed in corporate life.
- zepto 6y ago
  You must realize that leaving the country is not even remotely comparable to changing job. My argument may be weak for some other reason but this is not a valid one. It’s also worth mentioning that there are democratic workplaces. They are called cooperatives. Another example: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Lewis_Partnership https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Lewis_Partnership Relevant questions seem to be - why are they not more successful or widespread? Also, have you considered working for one?
  - lifeisstillgood 6y ago
    Yes good point on the co-op. Relevant questions seem to be - why are they not more successful or widespread? The co-op store (similar food john lewis) sprang from the mid victorian co-operative movement where different models where tried out by wealthy philanthropists who essentially gave back huge amounts of their wealth to their workers I think that last sentence shows why it is not more widespread - perhaps we simply need to force companies to become co-op/ partnerships at a certain state of growth?
    - zepto 6y ago
      By last sentence - you mean where I ask whether you have considered working for one?
      - lifeisstillgood 6y ago
        Ok second to last :-) But this seems interesting for the actual last sentence https://electricembers.coop//pubs/TechCoopHOWTO.pdf https://electricembers.coop//pubs/TechCoopHOWTO.pdf