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What, I have read your comment multiple time and I can not make any sense from it. I have no idea how you get from me expressing support for the basic idea of

by syshum 6y ago

What, I have read your comment multiple time and I can not make any sense from it. I have no idea how you get from me expressing support for the basic idea of natural human rights to "there is no such thing as a bad law". Of course there still could be bad law and object moral truth. Those laws would be immoral and we have all kinds of unethical and immoral laws today on the books. Many protests and riots have been done recently due to many of these immoral laws I have no idea how you got from A to B in your comment

bawolff 6y ago
For reference here is how i got here: You claimed "To the Authoritarian all laws are just social constructs created by governments, thus it is all subjective" with the implication that libertarians (which you are arguing for) believe the opposite. Thus you are claiming: "laws are not subjective" By which i took to mean (this might have been a slight leap on my part now that i look at it again): laws are not simply someone's decree, and falliable like all human creations, but instead they have some deep truth or objective reality to them. I concluded from this: laws cannot be bad, because that contradicts the idea that they have "truth" and are objective. I don't believe you can judge something objective good or bad. Objective things just "are" they are neither good nor bad. Good and bad are the realm of the subjective.
- syshum 6y ago
  No I believe laws SHOULD be based on on some deeper truth, that deeper truth for libertarians is The Philosophy of Liberty also known as the Self Ownership Principle [1] Good, Ethical and Moral law is then derived from this objective principle unfortunately, law by no means confines itself to its proper functions. The law has been used to destroy its own objective. The law has placed the collective force at the disposal of the unscrupulous who wish, without risk, to exploit the person, liberty, and property of others. It has converted plunder into a right, in order to protect plunder. And it has converted lawful defense into a crime, in order to punish lawful defense. [2] [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9srplWe_QQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9srplWe_QQ [2] http://bastiat.org/en/the_law.html http://bastiat.org/en/the_law.html

by syshum 6y ago

bawolff 6y ago

For reference here is how i got here: You claimed "To the Authoritarian all laws are just social constructs created by governments, thus it is all subjective" with the implication that libertarians (which you are arguing for) believe the opposite. Thus you are claiming: "laws are not subjective" By which i took to mean (this might have been a slight leap on my part now that i look at it again): laws are not simply someone's decree, and falliable like all human creations, but instead they have some deep truth or objective reality to them. I concluded from this: laws cannot be bad, because that contradicts the idea that they have "truth" and are objective. I don't believe you can judge something objective good or bad. Objective things just "are" they are neither good nor bad. Good and bad are the realm of the subjective.

syshum 6y ago
No I believe laws SHOULD be based on on some deeper truth, that deeper truth for libertarians is The Philosophy of Liberty also known as the Self Ownership Principle [1] Good, Ethical and Moral law is then derived from this objective principle unfortunately, law by no means confines itself to its proper functions. The law has been used to destroy its own objective. The law has placed the collective force at the disposal of the unscrupulous who wish, without risk, to exploit the person, liberty, and property of others. It has converted plunder into a right, in order to protect plunder. And it has converted lawful defense into a crime, in order to punish lawful defense. [2] [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9srplWe_QQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9srplWe_QQ [2] http://bastiat.org/en/the_law.html http://bastiat.org/en/the_law.html