3 ms·

I'm afraid the location daemon must have went a bit over my head. What part of such a daemon is necessary for a phone? Did Nokia 3310 also have such a daemon? "

I'm afraid the location daemon must have went a bit over my head. What part of such a daemon is necessary for a phone? Did Nokia 3310 also have such a daemon? "What Google does with that info" - does this daemon send data back to Google? > And please let me know when Google or Apple starts advertising their phones as [..] Circular logic. They chose to lock-down and hobble phones, and because their advertising doesn't include user freedom, you think that makes them justified in infringing on that freedom? Especially when they pulled every anti-competitive trick in the book, and invented a few new ones, to kill any competing phone OSs?

valuearb 6y ago
Yes, every cell phone has something like this daemon. Google “cellular phone” to learn how cell phones need to triangulate nearby cell towers to determine which offers best service, and when to switch to a new one. Please let me know when a phone manufacturer starts advertising the benefits of user freedom such as rampant malware stealing your personal information, dropping calls and bricking your phone. The first iPhone didn’t allow apps at all. When it was introduced the expectation for phones were they were safe and secure. If the iPhone wasn’t it would have failed. It’s like you are arguing automobile manufacturers don’t advertise that their cars are safe to drive, so obviously it isn’t a feature important to customers. And anyone can compete with a phone OS. You can fork Android for gods sake.
- rbecker 6y ago
  > Please let me know when a phone manufacturer starts advertising... They're advertising smartphones, not just phones. And the expectation of what a smartphone is is defined entirely by the Apple/Android duopoly. So even your claim that smartphones imply locked-down is circular. > benefits of user freedom such as rampant malware stealing your personal information, dropping calls and bricking your phone. So you're just choosing to ignore linux? And are you seriously using "stealing your personal information" as a contrast to what Google has been caught doing with Android? (Or MS with Win10, if we go beyond phones). > And anyone can compete with a phone OS. You can fork Android for gods sake. You can - if you can survive being locked out of the Google Play store walled garden while you build up your own ecosystem (which Google tried to keep secret): https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/IP_18_4581 https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/IP_18_... But I'm sure you'll be able to come up with more reasons why only giant multinationals should have a say in how smartphones work. I'm glad your kind wasn't as prominent when PCs were getting off the ground, or we'd need special developer licenses to run compilers, and anyone that complained would get shut down with "Intel/AMD don't advertise hacker boxes, but PCs!"
  - valuearb 6y ago
    Keep moving those goalposts. At least you learned a little bit more about how your phone works.
    - rbecker 6y ago
      Pray tell which goalpost did I move? And your only argument so far has been "Smartphones don't respect user freedom because we don't expect them to. We don't expect them to because they don't.", with a dash of the freedom-security false dichotomy thrown in. I hope you'll forgive me if I'm not convinced.
      - dang 6y ago
        Please don't post like this to HN. We're trying to avoid flamewars here. https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&sort=byDate&type=comment&query=stave%20by:dang https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&so... https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
    - dang 6y ago
      Please don't post like this to HN. We're trying to avoid flamewars here. https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&sort=byDate&type=comment&query=stave%20by:dang https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&so... https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

valuearb 6y ago

Yes, every cell phone has something like this daemon. Google “cellular phone” to learn how cell phones need to triangulate nearby cell towers to determine which offers best service, and when to switch to a new one. Please let me know when a phone manufacturer starts advertising the benefits of user freedom such as rampant malware stealing your personal information, dropping calls and bricking your phone. The first iPhone didn’t allow apps at all. When it was introduced the expectation for phones were they were safe and secure. If the iPhone wasn’t it would have failed. It’s like you are arguing automobile manufacturers don’t advertise that their cars are safe to drive, so obviously it isn’t a feature important to customers. And anyone can compete with a phone OS. You can fork Android for gods sake.

rbecker 6y ago
> Please let me know when a phone manufacturer starts advertising... They're advertising smartphones, not just phones. And the expectation of what a smartphone is is defined entirely by the Apple/Android duopoly. So even your claim that smartphones imply locked-down is circular. > benefits of user freedom such as rampant malware stealing your personal information, dropping calls and bricking your phone. So you're just choosing to ignore linux? And are you seriously using "stealing your personal information" as a contrast to what Google has been caught doing with Android? (Or MS with Win10, if we go beyond phones). > And anyone can compete with a phone OS. You can fork Android for gods sake. You can - if you can survive being locked out of the Google Play store walled garden while you build up your own ecosystem (which Google tried to keep secret): https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/IP_18_4581 https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/IP_18_... But I'm sure you'll be able to come up with more reasons why only giant multinationals should have a say in how smartphones work. I'm glad your kind wasn't as prominent when PCs were getting off the ground, or we'd need special developer licenses to run compilers, and anyone that complained would get shut down with "Intel/AMD don't advertise hacker boxes, but PCs!"
- valuearb 6y ago
  Keep moving those goalposts. At least you learned a little bit more about how your phone works.
  - rbecker 6y ago
    Pray tell which goalpost did I move? And your only argument so far has been "Smartphones don't respect user freedom because we don't expect them to. We don't expect them to because they don't.", with a dash of the freedom-security false dichotomy thrown in. I hope you'll forgive me if I'm not convinced.
    - dang 6y ago
      Please don't post like this to HN. We're trying to avoid flamewars here. https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&sort=byDate&type=comment&query=stave%20by:dang https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&so... https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  - dang 6y ago
    Please don't post like this to HN. We're trying to avoid flamewars here. https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&sort=byDate&type=comment&query=stave%20by:dang https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&so... https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html