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> They appear to me to dress up non-functional prototypes and make big events around them, only showing the feature in a certain, controlled environment. Any e

by nickik 6y ago

> They appear to me to dress up non-functional prototypes and make big events around them, only showing the feature in a certain, controlled environment. Any evidence for that? That a hell of an accusation. Since literally the Roaster Tesla offered test rides on all of these vehicles. The Roadster 2, Cybertruck and so on all were driving around costumers all night. They were fully functional. The Tesla Semi is regularly transporting things between California and Nevada. Now can we prove that the prototype Cybertruck could do the most hardcore rally in the world? No, but calling them non-function is just laying unless you have evidence to back it up. > How many years now has Tesla claimed that full autonomous driving will be ready by the end of the year? Elon is overconfident about AI, everybody knows that. If you don't believe it, don't buy it. Also the revenue they get from FSD is not actually realized unless they deliver on the features. > Even the giga-factories don’t look anything like the designs they promoted. They look like, well every other car factory. Elon has admired that he was wrong how easy it was to speed up production on Model 3. He took the blame for that mistake and since then they have worked and improved their production capability. That is not a costumer features, and the reality is for no other company would you ever even get that information. For other car companies they release a press conference 'car delayed 6 month' not telling you why.

nemo44x 6y ago
The glass broke on the Cybertruck. The course was closed as well and you couldn’t drive the vehicle. You could only be a passenger. Their solar shingles are where? The semi was to be in production 2 years ago. There are serious doubts it’s even viable for long haul. The battery swap demo has never materialized and there’s doubt it is feasible. They continue to show photos of a sleek, modern giga-factory with solar panel roofs. Meanwhile their factories look like any other car factory. Their self driving tech has some cool demos of what the computer “sees” but there’s no evidence it’s close to being available or that it’s any better than where other companies like GM are with the tech. I’m not trying to dump on Tesla - they’ve done a lot to push the industry forward. I’m just saying I think they generate a lot of hype but don’t deliver and they may have people confused on where they really are.
- nickik 6y ago
  > The glass broke on the Cybertruck. First of all, even if the glass broke. The window still worked. If it was a normal truck, the ball would have gone straight inside and killed the driver. Its called a prototype for a reason and they have demonstrated the technology and multiple experts confirmed that this is in fact a viable technology. > The battery swap demo has never materialized and there’s doubt it is feasible. No there isn't. They had a working system, they demonstrated it and it was in open beta. And again, NIO has this working in China. Its literally just undoing 4 screws and let the battery fall out. I really don't understand why you feel the need to come of with a conspiracy theory on this. The fact of the matter is that its a system that is simply not needed for 99.9% of situations and makes no operational sense for Tesla. It is technologically clearly feasible but it operational impractical. > They continue to show photos of a sleek, modern giga-factory with solar panel roofs. Meanwhile their factories look like any other car factory. They are car factories? And they are modern looking. I don't understand what your problem is. They are very modern factories if you actually study what goes on in them. You just want them to put more solar cells on them? Is that your issue? I really don't get what you complain about. The factories they build are being built very fast, and the have very good ROI if you look at their operational leverage. So they do exactly what Tesla says they do. > Their self driving tech has some cool demos of what the computer “sees” but there’s no evidence it’s close to being available or that it’s any better than where other companies like GM are with the tech. If you actually believe GM is just as far as Tesla then you haven't use those systems. They are clearly not. > I’m not trying to dump on Tesla - they’ve done a lot to push the industry forward. I’m just saying I think they generate a lot of hype but don’t deliver and they may have people confused on where they really are. It seem like you are nip-picking everything Tesla ever did wrong or not perfect and add some conspiracy stuff on top and ignoring everything they have delivered on. That they delivered the Model Y early with excellent margin and low additional CapX. That they build up Giga Shanghai as fast as they did within a month are gone deliver Model Y from there. That they have managed to be profitable while they are still scaling and building factories like crazy. That they survived Covid with flying colors.

by nickik 6y ago

nemo44x 6y ago

The glass broke on the Cybertruck. The course was closed as well and you couldn’t drive the vehicle. You could only be a passenger. Their solar shingles are where? The semi was to be in production 2 years ago. There are serious doubts it’s even viable for long haul. The battery swap demo has never materialized and there’s doubt it is feasible. They continue to show photos of a sleek, modern giga-factory with solar panel roofs. Meanwhile their factories look like any other car factory. Their self driving tech has some cool demos of what the computer “sees” but there’s no evidence it’s close to being available or that it’s any better than where other companies like GM are with the tech. I’m not trying to dump on Tesla - they’ve done a lot to push the industry forward. I’m just saying I think they generate a lot of hype but don’t deliver and they may have people confused on where they really are.

nickik 6y ago
> The glass broke on the Cybertruck. First of all, even if the glass broke. The window still worked. If it was a normal truck, the ball would have gone straight inside and killed the driver. Its called a prototype for a reason and they have demonstrated the technology and multiple experts confirmed that this is in fact a viable technology. > The battery swap demo has never materialized and there’s doubt it is feasible. No there isn't. They had a working system, they demonstrated it and it was in open beta. And again, NIO has this working in China. Its literally just undoing 4 screws and let the battery fall out. I really don't understand why you feel the need to come of with a conspiracy theory on this. The fact of the matter is that its a system that is simply not needed for 99.9% of situations and makes no operational sense for Tesla. It is technologically clearly feasible but it operational impractical. > They continue to show photos of a sleek, modern giga-factory with solar panel roofs. Meanwhile their factories look like any other car factory. They are car factories? And they are modern looking. I don't understand what your problem is. They are very modern factories if you actually study what goes on in them. You just want them to put more solar cells on them? Is that your issue? I really don't get what you complain about. The factories they build are being built very fast, and the have very good ROI if you look at their operational leverage. So they do exactly what Tesla says they do. > Their self driving tech has some cool demos of what the computer “sees” but there’s no evidence it’s close to being available or that it’s any better than where other companies like GM are with the tech. If you actually believe GM is just as far as Tesla then you haven't use those systems. They are clearly not. > I’m not trying to dump on Tesla - they’ve done a lot to push the industry forward. I’m just saying I think they generate a lot of hype but don’t deliver and they may have people confused on where they really are. It seem like you are nip-picking everything Tesla ever did wrong or not perfect and add some conspiracy stuff on top and ignoring everything they have delivered on. That they delivered the Model Y early with excellent margin and low additional CapX. That they build up Giga Shanghai as fast as they did within a month are gone deliver Model Y from there. That they have managed to be profitable while they are still scaling and building factories like crazy. That they survived Covid with flying colors.